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It's 15 minutes if you don't have the foresight to charge your car at home (or hotel or where ever you're staying) or if your journey exceeds the range of your vehicle on one full charge. That's 250 miles with a Bolt, 249-295 with a Tesla depending on model. Do you really do that mileage every day?
Pretty sure a 15 minute break would be a good thing for any driver after nearly 300 miles.
Also if you just fitted chargers in parking spaces you could have a lot more people "filling" up at once while people stop for a bit of food/drink and a slash. |
Yep, that is where some people aren't looking at this the right way. As the number of charging points, and also the ability to charge at home, there will be far less reliance on traditional filling stations. I'm not just talking about Motorway services and the such like, but supermarkets, general car parks and charging point around town. Heck, even IKEA has charging points, perfect for when you fancy some swedish meatballs & chips, feed the car/bike, whilst you feed yourself. And yes, most people wouldn't travel daily over 300miles, and for the times you do, just a little forethought and planing. In fact, electric vehicles could even save you time ..
Traditional fuel powered car, taking the family on a day out to Blackpool. Get so far, kids & you need to bog break, and the car needs filling up .. So, what do you do?
Pull into the services, sort out the food and bog, eat the food. Get back to the car, drive to the filling station, hope there's not a queue, fill up, queue to pay, drive off.
With and electric car. Pull into services, plug in the car, sort out the food and bog, eat the food. Get back to the car, unplug the charger, drive off and gleefully ignore the queue at the filling station.
Now even on a bike, it's relatively rare to travel over 100 miles without taking a break, so, a similar scenario to that above for the car. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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ScaredyCat wrote: | It's 15 minutes if you don't have the foresight to charge your car at home |
Sure, because everyone has a garage. If they don't, we should just pass a law.
ScaredyCat wrote: | on one full charge. That's 250 miles with a Bolt, 249-295 with a Tesla depending on model. |
That's completely full to completely empty, which nobody will ever do.
ScaredyCat wrote: | a 15 minute break |
If there's a free socket when you roll in.
ScaredyCat wrote: | after nearly 300 miles |
The claim is 15 minutes for an 80% charge, and that'll won't be 20% to 100%, it'll be empty (which you'll never do) to 80%.
So assuming the usual margin of it's-not-lies-it's-just-marketing, let's generously say 20 minutes for 70%. 70% gets you 175 miles, except that you won't be doing 175 miles unless you fancy running out of juice. I'd expect you'll see flashing empty at about 125.
ScaredyCat wrote: | Also if you just fitted chargers in parking spaces |
Yes, let's pass a law. That's that taken care of then. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Polarbear wrote: | There is a slight problem even so, a $250,000 problem. It's not exactly mainstream prices is it. Also I read somewhere that the battery pack is approaching a tonne in weight. OK, not so much of a problem in a car as a bike.
I have seen 1 (one) Tesla on the road so far. Does anyone have their sales figures available? |
Is the $250,000 figure really a problem? Ignoring the electric vs ICE, If Ferrari or Audi released the exact same car with those performance figures we wouldn't question it. It's a range topping vehicle with massively more performance than we need day to day. Hence it's expensive, just like all the competitors in that segment.
The model S is about £80,000 in the UK I think, so not cheap, but no more than a decent spec Range Rover or 7 series whilst the Model 3 is around £35,000, so no more than a decent 5 series. Tesla seem to be reasonably competitive on price in their target markets.
As for market share, the answer seems to be small but with massive growth
https://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics/
122,000 plug in hybrids and pure electric cars in the UK and Tesla is in the top 10 makes based on sales beating offerings from Renault, Volkswagen, Volvo and Nissan. Not bad going for a car company which only floated 7 years ago.
How many left reckons 6,672 Teslas on UK roads, up from 4,513 in 2016, so a 48% increase YOY.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=tesla
They are also becoming increasingly popular cross Europe with a 2.2% market share.
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/10/31/tesla-1-3-near-record-month-europe-electric-car-sales/ ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 156 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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