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Jewlio Rides Again LLB
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 21 Nov 2017    Post subject: Corrupt Justice? Reply with quote
https://news.sky.com/story/10000-forensic-tests-may-have-been-manipulated-11137005

3/4s are road traffic offences... Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 21 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tampered with? Why?

For shits and giggles?
Because the police told them too?
To get people off who paid them?

Seems a lot of information missing or not released.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 21 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
That is a puzzler. I'd assumed on a first skim that it would be the Big Bosses nudge-nudging to get the results that were required to keep the contract. I mean, what else are they going to do? Highlight that the police keep fitting folk up?

However, it appears on the face of it - and of course there may be fitting-up involved - to be two rogue scienticians with form for it.

Wild xenoracist guess, might these be imported labtechs from a culture where everyone is guilty until they've purchased innocence? Thinking

Either way, that sounds like a right case of perverting Justine, proper gaol time for those involved.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 21 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Wild xenoracist guess, might these be imported labtechs from a culture where everyone is guilty until they've purchased innocence?.


Same system as the UK currently operates then! Wink
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 21 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's nothing new.

Look up the Shirley McKie case.

In short: Forensics crop and manipulate a marginal finger print found at a scene and pin it on WPC McKie. She gets done for perjury and sent to prison.

US experts attend and show the finger prints are noting alike. Scotch CPS equivalent denies any wrong doing. They pay out £750K compo and in the process make finger prints pretty much worthless as evidence.


Polarbear wrote:
Tampered with? Why?

For shits and giggles?
Because the police told them too?
To get people off who paid them?

Seems a lot of information missing or not released.



I'd say it's to retain the contract. It was similar in auditing. In auditing you were supposed to clean as a whistle. What really happened is that the chief auditor would meet with the client and ask them what they wanted the accounts to say.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 21 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Does nothing to dissuade me of my well known opinion on here. Laughing

The fact that the majority of the convictions are based around traffic offences would say to me it's all about the money from the 5-0 perspective (results based at it's finest).

Question:If someone guilty as sin but never got caught was fitted up (let's say baklyf as a plague none of us particularly like) for a crime they hadn't in that instance committed (but it was known they had before), how would you feel on the convictions? Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 21 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
It's nothing new.

Look up the Shirley McKie case.

In short: Forensics crop and manipulate a marginal finger print found at a scene and pin it on WPC McKie. She gets done for perjury and sent to prison.

US experts attend and show the finger prints are noting alike. Scotch CPS equivalent denies any wrong doing. They pay out £750K compo and in the process make finger prints pretty much worthless as evidence.

Wasn't there something similar with the Barry George/Jill Dando murder? IIRC it was a single piece of (some random) firearm residue = being the shooter.

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
If someone guilty as sin but never got caught was fitted up (let's say baklyf as a plague none of us particularly like) for a crime they hadn't in that instance committed (but it was known they had before), how would you feel on the convictions? Thinking

Eh? No different. The police have a history of setting up innocent people to take the fall for crimes, I doubt they'd see a distinction.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 21 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
I'd say it's to retain the contract.

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It is understood that while the samples themselves were not tampered with, the data against which they were measured was manipulated, therefore bringing the accuracy of the test into question.

Dodgy equipment calibration then.
https://thejusticegap.com/2017/02/14660/
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 21 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
Itchy wrote:
It's nothing new.

Look up the Shirley McKie case.

In short: Forensics crop and manipulate a marginal finger print found at a scene and pin it on WPC McKie. She gets done for perjury and sent to prison.

US experts attend and show the finger prints are noting alike. Scotch CPS equivalent denies any wrong doing. They pay out £750K compo and in the process make finger prints pretty much worthless as evidence.

Wasn't there something similar with the Barry George/Jill Dando murder? IIRC it was a single piece of (some random) firearm residue = being the shooter.

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
If someone guilty as sin but never got caught was fitted up (let's say baklyf as a plague none of us particularly like) for a crime they hadn't in that instance committed (but it was known they had before), how would you feel on the convictions? Thinking

Eh? No different. The police have a history of setting up innocent people to take the fall for crimes, I doubt they'd see a distinction.


I'm not bothered about what they think, I'm wondering what we think.
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