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PostPosted: 00:02 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: H Reply with quote

GSTEEL32 wrote:
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Does anyone actually care about this tower outside of London?



I'd have to say, other than the very-liberal-lefty-media, very few people in London give a flying f*ck ......

London has bigger problems it wants to talk about, not necessarily (with all due respect) an isolated fire, in a area that very few people can afford to live in .........

People putting erroneous claims into the council for extra cash, are also a definite bone of contention .... given the "socio-economic" grouping of the people that lived there ..........

So had a tower block burned down in a poor part of London, or even better a poor part of the country would you have (any) sympathy? It's actually highlighted a problem with many buildings, including hospitals etc., it also made councils look at their housing stock and wonder if it's safe Thinking There have been whole estates with their gas supplies cut off etc., residents moved out because they didn't have proper fire doors.

But yeah those immigrants scroungers deserved it, the fraud reinforces whatever stereotype you already had in mind. Anyone seen my canoe?
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

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So had a tower block burned down in a poor part of London, or even better a poor part of the country would you have (any) sympathy? It's actually highlighted a problem with many buildings, including hospitals etc., it also made councils look at their housing stock and wonder if it's safe Thinking There have been whole estates with their gas supplies cut off etc., residents moved out because they didn't have proper fire doors.

But yeah those immigrants scroungers deserved it, the fraud reinforces whatever stereotype you already had in mind. Anyone seen my canoe?


Who mentioned immigrants ? Me or you ? I don't know where they're from and I doubt that information has been released into the press anyway.

In fact, for that matter, who mentioned anything about scroungers ?

The Question was concerning how big a "story" this actually was outside of the borough in question.

You then decided to turn it into Race / Brexit / Immigration/ boo hoo nasty racist/ utter utter BullSh!t.

Do i think if this had happened in Stoke / Leeds / Sunderland or Dudley, do I think the national BBC news service would run it as high - profile as they have ? No, no I don't.
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

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So had a tower block burned down in a poor part of London, or even better a poor part of the country would you have (any) sympathy? It's actually highlighted a problem with many buildings, including hospitals etc., it also made councils look at their housing stock and wonder if it's safe Thinking There have been whole estates with their gas supplies cut off etc., residents moved out because they didn't have proper fire doors.

But yeah those immigrants scroungers deserved it, the fraud reinforces whatever stereotype you already had in mind. Anyone seen my canoe?


Who mentioned immigrants ? Me or you ? I don't know where they're from and I doubt that information has been released into the press anyway.

In fact, for that matter, who mentioned anything about scroungers ?

The Question was concerning how big a "story" this actually was outside of the borough in question.

You then decided to turn it into Race / Brexit / Immigration/ boo hoo nasty racist/ utter utter BullSh!t.

Do i think if this had happened in Stoke / Leeds / Sunderland or Dudley, do I think the national BBC news service would run it as high - profile as they have ? No, no I don't.

Read the other 25 pages of this topic...

And yes as I've highlighted it's been a big story, up and down the country. It's also been a major story in London, it's kinda hard to miss a burned out shell of a building, even if you don't live in K&C.

Again read the other 25 pages of the topic.
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PostPosted: 01:35 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

That because there's about 5 white residents in Bolton, or are you getting facetious regarding the house prices?
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then why have you blicked the "Rainpal® is a scam" thread?
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

So had a tower block burned down in a poor part of London, or even better a poor part of the country would you have (any) sympathy? It's actually highlighted a problem with many buildings, including hospitals etc., it also made councils look at their housing stock and wonder if it's safe Thinking There have been whole estates with their gas supplies cut off etc., residents moved out because they didn't have proper fire doors.


TBH I think a lot of the public showering of grief and general 'people' focus is a deliberate ploy to move attention away from exactly what you've got in there ^. I happen to know a good number of risk management companies, managing agents, surveyors an the like have been extremely busy over the past 6 months. Can't think why.

But when was the last time we had a story on who was to blame?
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Personally, I reckon if Grenfell was in Bolton and full of white residents. The media “give a fuck” bandwagon would have lasted days and almost £2,000,000 of tax payers money would have rehoused the lot, not a fee for each Gimbedat free flat.


White northern residents attract near zero virtue signalling points. The biggest issue for the BBC would have been the co2 emissions.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

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£235M to rehouse 130 families? That would buy a decent mansion each with a swimming pool in leafy Surrey.


Maybe in 2003 it would...
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

129 families. Less 71 people who went flame on. So, maybe ~110 left.

I mean, 155. Wouldn't want to question the narrative. Such racialist, very BNP.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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129 families. Less 71 people who went flame on. So, maybe ~110 left.

I mean, 155.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

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Are we still blaming a Hotpoint fridge? Can't remember seeing a recall on them.

I'd say that it would be a pretty safe bet that a white politician/councillor will be made to fall on their sword once the "investigation" finds whitey guilty.


The fridge was (LOL, but bear with me here) the inception hazard but the development hazard was the construction methods used in the refurbishment works. Without that, a good old lump of concrete block like it used to be would have seen a small flat fire with smoke penetration upwards and firefighting water penetration downwards, and at the worst case some inhalation injuries.

The writing of Approved Doc B to soften building construction grading; the planning and building control consent for the use of such methods; the sale of such products and the no questions asked installation of them by contractors. Well I don't suspect there were many immigrant gimmedats in the loop when those decisions were made.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

arry wrote:
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Are we still blaming a Hotpoint fridge? Can't remember seeing a recall on them.

I'd say that it would be a pretty safe bet that a white politician/councillor will be made to fall on their sword once the "investigation" finds whitey guilty.


The fridge was (LOL, but bear with me here) the inception hazard but the development hazard was the construction methods used in the refurbishment works. Without that, a good old lump of concrete block like it used to be would have seen a small flat fire with smoke penetration upwards and firefighting water penetration downwards, and at the worst case some inhalation injuries.

The writing of Approved Doc B to soften building construction grading; the planning and building control consent for the use of such methods; the sale of such products and the no questions asked installation of them by contractors. Well I don't suspect there were many immigrant gimmedats in the loop when those decisions were made.


So the Tl;Dr is bnp72 sprouting bullshit yet again? Quelle surprise.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

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Well I don't suspect there were many immigrant gimmedats in the loop when those decisions were made.


I wonder if any of them campaigned to get their free flats in an exclusive area upgraded, or whether the council volunteered unasked?


I am not sure that's particularly relevant. If they did, I dare say they wouldn't expect sub-standard materials to be used, otherwise in accordance with legislation that's been laid down for a good number of years.

The chain on this one starts at some point in the early noughties.

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/PDF/Housing%20Strategy%202013%20to%202017.pdf

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In 2002 KCTMO took over the responsibility for major capital works from the Council to
access extra resources and funding, which enabled KCTMO to bring the properties up
to the Decent Homes Standard. This was set up by Government to create a minimum
standard of housing across social housing.


You can probably guess that the Govt's Decent Homes Standard includes:

Quote:
4.6 This criterion requires dwellings to have both effective insulation and efficient heating.


But I guess they got what they campaigned for, and no less than the barbecuing they deserved Dance!
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42392138

Well would you look at that, I'm psychotic. Just popped up on BBC.

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Interim recommendations included:
An overhaul of the "Approved Documents" in building regulations
An accreditation system to ensure competence for people working on the design, construction, inspection and maintenance of complex buildings are suitably qualified
Better consultation with fire services when designing buildings
Building developers to ensure formal handover process for any new high-rise residential building before occupation
More done to make sure that fire safety information is passed to the person responsible for running the building once it has been constructed
Fire risk assessments are carried out at least annually
Desktop studies to approve changes to cladding should be used only where appropriate and with sufficient, relevant test evidence. The cladding on the Grenfell tower is thought to have contributed to the spread of the fire
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

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I doubt fireproof cladding was a legal requirement though was it? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. This is just one building, where an apparent fridge fire caused the exterior cladding to catch, from an open window, which unfortunately the fire service failed to spot or check. What about UPVC windows - They're hardly fireproof are they?

Not being funny, but pretty much everything in my house other than bricks and tiles is flammable. The only real differences are that it's only a 2 story building


You're pretty much 100% wrong on just about all counts and I can't really be bothered to explain why to you - sorry Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

arry wrote:
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I doubt fireproof cladding was a legal requirement though was it? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. This is just one building, where an apparent fridge fire caused the exterior cladding to catch, from an open window, which unfortunately the fire service failed to spot or check. What about UPVC windows - They're hardly fireproof are they?

Not being funny, but pretty much everything in my house other than bricks and tiles is flammable. The only real differences are that it's only a 2 story building


You're pretty much 100% wrong on just about all counts and I can't really be bothered to explain why to you - sorry Laughing


By "wrong", you actually mean mpd is "absolutely correct".
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:

I'm not surprised you "can't be bothered" to try to justify those statements! Wink


Nor am I. Any other user on here I'd probably give the detail over and have an interesting conversation with. Your response sums up the reason why you're different. As I've said before - you'd start a fight in an empty room.

But since you're the king of picking up on small details and running with them to try to pull apart someone's argument in a long, drawn out, tedious loop - I expected nothing less from you.

Roger had the right idea, TBH. So, umm, Plonk, Donk.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:

By "wrong", you actually mean mpd is "absolutely correct".


This is just for you this one. Let's look at the important bits:
I doubt fireproof cladding was a legal requirement.

It wasn't a legal requirement to have it installed, no. But to install that particular type of cladding, I can almost guarantee you (and of course I can't be 100% sure, just for the nitpickers), will be otherwise in accordance with Approved Doc B for high rises.

The only real differences are that it's only a 2 story building.

Ok where to start. Since we've mentioned windows lets go with those. Nope, they're not fireproof, but they're not a major contributing factor to fire load and development hazard. Cladding, composite panels and the like with either XPS, EPS, PUR etc filling is. It's been campaigned about since the late 80's by the FPA because they recognised it as pretty much awful even in commercial buildings where there wasn't considered a particular threat to life. Fire brigades started a practice of not entering buildings constructed of such materials due to risk of collapsing panel liners, melting droplets of insulation material, inhalation risks and lots of other nasties. It's well established that composite panelling is extremely quick to ignite compared to other more traditional building materials and, once it does, you've got a real fight on your hands to save the building.

The design of the cladding will almost certainly be called into question too, since it is likely it created a flue effect spreading the fire much more effectively once established. Most domestic houses don't have this feature, and indeed when insulation material is fitted to external walls of houses it tends to be flush mounted to the brick and then capped / collared at all junctures and service breaks.

In short - and back to my original point:
1) I will be amazed if the building met Approved Doc B regulations.
2) Approved Doc B in itself is an abomination of building design standards which was campaigned heavily against, and with good reason, by the FPA and I'm sure other organisations more interested in property protection.
3) 1 and 2 above are probably why that side is being washed out by luvvie stuff.

mpd's house isn't a lot like Grenfell and UPVC windows aren't a lot like composites.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 18 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: H Reply with quote

arry wrote:

mpd's house isn't a lot like Grenfell and UPVC windows aren't a lot like composites.


It's no cladding, for a start. Unless them godawful looking tiles are classed as cladding, and I'm sure they aren't the same stuff (unfortunately). Laughing
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