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Posted: 00:02 - 18 Dec 2017 Post subject: H |
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GSTEEL32 wrote: | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Does anyone actually care about this tower outside of London?
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I'd have to say, other than the very-liberal-lefty-media, very few people in London give a flying f*ck ......
London has bigger problems it wants to talk about, not necessarily (with all due respect) an isolated fire, in a area that very few people can afford to live in .........
People putting erroneous claims into the council for extra cash, are also a definite bone of contention .... given the "socio-economic" grouping of the people that lived there .......... |
So had a tower block burned down in a poor part of London, or even better a poor part of the country would you have (any) sympathy? It's actually highlighted a problem with many buildings, including hospitals etc., it also made councils look at their housing stock and wonder if it's safe There have been whole estates with their gas supplies cut off etc., residents moved out because they didn't have proper fire doors.
But yeah those immigrants scroungers deserved it, the fraud reinforces whatever stereotype you already had in mind. Anyone seen my canoe? |
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Posted: 00:55 - 18 Dec 2017 Post subject: Re: H |
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GSTEEL32 wrote: | M.C wrote: |
So had a tower block burned down in a poor part of London, or even better a poor part of the country would you have (any) sympathy? It's actually highlighted a problem with many buildings, including hospitals etc., it also made councils look at their housing stock and wonder if it's safe There have been whole estates with their gas supplies cut off etc., residents moved out because they didn't have proper fire doors.
But yeah those immigrants scroungers deserved it, the fraud reinforces whatever stereotype you already had in mind. Anyone seen my canoe? |
Who mentioned immigrants ? Me or you ? I don't know where they're from and I doubt that information has been released into the press anyway.
In fact, for that matter, who mentioned anything about scroungers ?
The Question was concerning how big a "story" this actually was outside of the borough in question.
You then decided to turn it into Race / Brexit / Immigration/ boo hoo nasty racist/ utter utter BullSh!t.
Do i think if this had happened in Stoke / Leeds / Sunderland or Dudley, do I think the national BBC news service would run it as high - profile as they have ? No, no I don't. |
Read the other 25 pages of this topic...
And yes as I've highlighted it's been a big story, up and down the country. It's also been a major story in London, it's kinda hard to miss a burned out shell of a building, even if you don't live in K&C.
Again read the other 25 pages of the topic. |
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That because there's about 5 white residents in Bolton, or are you getting facetious regarding the house prices? ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Then why have you blicked the "Rainpal® is a scam" thread? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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129 families. Less 71 people who went flame on. So, maybe ~110 left.
I mean, 155. Wouldn't want to question the narrative. Such racialist, very BNP. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 17:05 - 18 Dec 2017 Post subject: Re: H |
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arry wrote: | mpd72 wrote: |
I wonder if any of them campaigned to get their free flats in an exclusive area upgraded, or whether the council volunteered unasked? |
I am not sure that's particularly relevant. If they did, I dare say they wouldn't expect sub-standard materials to be used, otherwise in accordance with legislation that's been laid down for a good number of years.
The chain on this one starts at some point in the early noughties.
https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/PDF/Housing%20Strategy%202013%20to%202017.pdf
Quote: | In 2002 KCTMO took over the responsibility for major capital works from the Council to
access extra resources and funding, which enabled KCTMO to bring the properties up
to the Decent Homes Standard. This was set up by Government to create a minimum
standard of housing across social housing. |
You can probably guess that the Govt's Decent Homes Standard includes:
Quote: | 4.6 This criterion requires dwellings to have both effective insulation and efficient heating.
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But I guess they got what they campaigned for, and no less than the barbecuing they deserved |
I doubt fireproof cladding was a legal requirement though was it? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. This is just one building, where an apparent fridge fire caused the exterior cladding to catch, from an open window, which unfortunately the fire service failed to spot or check. What about UPVC windows - They're hardly fireproof are they?
Not being funny, but pretty much everything in my house other than bricks and tiles is flammable. The only real differences are that it's only a 2 story building, it's not provided to me for free and I wouldn't get £1,800,000 to rehouse me if it burnt down. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Posted: 18:09 - 18 Dec 2017 Post subject: Re: H |
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arry wrote: | mpd72 wrote: |
I doubt fireproof cladding was a legal requirement though was it? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. This is just one building, where an apparent fridge fire caused the exterior cladding to catch, from an open window, which unfortunately the fire service failed to spot or check. What about UPVC windows - They're hardly fireproof are they?
Not being funny, but pretty much everything in my house other than bricks and tiles is flammable. The only real differences are that it's only a 2 story building |
You're pretty much 100% wrong on just about all counts and I can't really be bothered to explain why to you - sorry |
Fireproof cladding was a legal requirement.
Hindsight isn't a wonderful thing.
Grenfell is several buildings.
The fire was not apparently started from a faulty fridge.
The fire didn't spread to the cladding through an open window.
The fire service didn't miss the burning cladding, as they left thinking the fire was out.
UPVC is fireproof as is the timber in all houses.
I'm not surprised you "can't be bothered" to try to justify those statements! ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Posted: 18:41 - 18 Dec 2017 Post subject: Re: H |
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By "wrong", you actually mean mpd is "absolutely correct". |
This is just for you this one. Let's look at the important bits:
I doubt fireproof cladding was a legal requirement.
It wasn't a legal requirement to have it installed, no. But to install that particular type of cladding, I can almost guarantee you (and of course I can't be 100% sure, just for the nitpickers), will be otherwise in accordance with Approved Doc B for high rises.
The only real differences are that it's only a 2 story building.
Ok where to start. Since we've mentioned windows lets go with those. Nope, they're not fireproof, but they're not a major contributing factor to fire load and development hazard. Cladding, composite panels and the like with either XPS, EPS, PUR etc filling is. It's been campaigned about since the late 80's by the FPA because they recognised it as pretty much awful even in commercial buildings where there wasn't considered a particular threat to life. Fire brigades started a practice of not entering buildings constructed of such materials due to risk of collapsing panel liners, melting droplets of insulation material, inhalation risks and lots of other nasties. It's well established that composite panelling is extremely quick to ignite compared to other more traditional building materials and, once it does, you've got a real fight on your hands to save the building.
The design of the cladding will almost certainly be called into question too, since it is likely it created a flue effect spreading the fire much more effectively once established. Most domestic houses don't have this feature, and indeed when insulation material is fitted to external walls of houses it tends to be flush mounted to the brick and then capped / collared at all junctures and service breaks.
In short - and back to my original point:
1) I will be amazed if the building met Approved Doc B regulations.
2) Approved Doc B in itself is an abomination of building design standards which was campaigned heavily against, and with good reason, by the FPA and I'm sure other organisations more interested in property protection.
3) 1 and 2 above are probably why that side is being washed out by luvvie stuff.
mpd's house isn't a lot like Grenfell and UPVC windows aren't a lot like composites. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 169 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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