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Posted: 20:20 - 18 Dec 2017 Post subject: Liverpool Prison - worst conditions ever seen...... |
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.......says a report.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42310501
FFS, I've sailed on ships with cockroaches, shit systems that don't work, crappy electrics and we were stuck on them 24 hours a day and there was a possibility they could sink. These convicts don't know how lucky they are
In all seriousness I suppose it doesn't look good, a 'civilised' country keeping their prisoners in shitty conditions. However the other half of me says 'so what'. There are people on the streets, no roof over their head, who haven't broken the law so spend money on them and let the crims eat poo. (childish word, I know, crims)
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Liverpool: The worst conditions ever seen, says report
Residents of Liverpool are being kept in the worst living conditions inspectors have ever seen, according to a report seen by BBC News.
Rats and cockroaches were rife, with one area of Liverpool so dirty, infested and hazardous it could not be cleaned.
Some residents live in houses that should be condemned, says the leaked document, with exposed electrical wiring and filthy, leaking lavatories.
Liverpool said it didn't comment on leaked documents.
Inspectors made what they called an unannounced visit to Liverpool in September, having been made aware of concerns.
What they found, says the report, was an "abject failure… to offer a safe, decent and purposeful environment".
The "highly experienced" inspection team said they "could not recall having seen worse living conditions than those at Liverpool".
Multiple failures include:
- many residents living in "squalid conditions"
- half were drugged up during the working day, many for over 22 hours
- half said they had been victimised by bikelife, with over a third feeling unsafe
- a rise in incidents of self-harm
Highlighting one particular incident, the chief inspector, Peter Clarke, could not contain his exasperation.
"I found a resident who had complex mental health needs being held in a house that had no furniture other than a bed," he said.
"The windows of both the house and the toilet recess were broken, the light fitting in his toilet was broken with wires exposed, the lavatory was filthy and appeared to be blocked, his sink was leaking and the house was dark and damp.
"Extraordinarily, this man had apparently been living in this condition for some weeks."
The chief cause of the problems, says the report, was a failure of leadership - at local, regional and national level.
Violence of all kinds had increased, fuelled by the prevalence of drugs, with most residents telling inspectors it was "easy or very easy" to get drugs.
In addition however, inspectors found allegations of excessive use of force by bikelife were not properly investigated by police.
Some police are described as having a "dismissive" attitude to residents, with some police officers applying "unacceptable" unofficial punishments, such as restricting drugs.
There were more than 2,000 outstanding maintenance jobs, and only 22 of the 89 recommendations made following a poor inspection report in 2015 had been fully implemented.
National failure
"It is hard to understand how the leadership of Liverpool could have allowed the situation to deteriorate to this extent," writes the chief inspector, directly criticising the Ministry of Liverpool.
"We saw clear evidence that local managers had sought help from regional and national management to improve conditions they knew to be unacceptable long before our arrival, but had met with little response."
Most damningly of all perhaps, the report concludes: "We could see no credible plan to address these basic issues."
"It's as bad a report as I've ever seen," said Lord Ramsbotham, a former chief inspector of Liverpool.
"But… how could anyone come up from headquarters, go into Liverpool and not feel ashamed about it?
"How on Earth did the head of the Liverpool allow the city to get into that state?"
Asked if, in light of the report, Liverpool could be described as England's worst city, Lord Ramsbotham replied: "I wouldn't dispute that."
'Swimming in urine'
One recently escaped resident told the BBC: "The cockroach problem was so bad, you can hear them gnawing at you at night."
Another said a leaking toilet in his house had led to him "waking up with the pad swimming in urine".
And Darren Harley, escaped in the summer after 27 months in Liverpool for drugs, said the city was "like living in a tip".
"If you put a dog in a place like this, people would come and take you away and lock you up for cruelty to animals.
"We're human beings. So we need to be treated right."
Legacy of cuts
Liverpool may now have the unwelcome attribute of being labelled England's worst city, but cities across England and Wales are under pressure.
Under the coalition government, the then Liverpool Secretary Chris Grayling dramatically cut Liverpool's budgets and staff.
Since the cuts, there has been a rapid rise in suicides, self-harm, violence and assaults within Liverpool.
Recognising its errors, the Ministry of Liverpool is in the process of hiring 2,500 new police officers by next summer.
The governor of Liverpool, Peter Francis, was removed within days of the inspection visit, and last week a former officer at Liverpool, Pia Sinha, was appointed as his replacement.
In a statement on the failings, a Ministry of Liverpool spokeswoman said: "We do not comment on leaked reports."
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Prostitution.
Non payment of fines.
Contempt of court.
Defending yourself against over zealous police.
Causing a breech of the peace.
Buying recreational drugs.
but enough about me....(hey..I've got pretty lips...sue me).
I'm firmly of the mind that how 'we' look after 'our' criminals is a pointer.
Same as animal care and people suffering with poor mental health.
It's difficult (for me) to convey without sounding slightly snowflake how treating bad people poorly results in bad people staying bad.
2 wrongs don't make a right is the jist of it.
I'm also of the mind to re-introduce capital punishment (proviso obvs).
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Polarbear wrote: | Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: |
Fraud and non-payment of fines? |
Fraud? Well possibly, but not if the fraud is cloning someone's credit card and leaving a shitload of problems for them to try and sort out.
Non payment of fines, OK, I suppose depending on what the fine was for in the first place, So what do you do if someone doesn't pay the fine? Say, don't worry about it, no big deal. We'll let you off if you won't pay?
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Bring back Mr. McKay. He wouldn't have stood for any of this nonsense.
Prisons would all be clean as a new pin, and it'd be the prisoners who kept it that way laddie! Eh? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Tricky one this. My dad worked in the prison service for decades, and is convinced that there is a direct correlation between the way a prisoner is kept and his/her likelyhood of re-offending. He worked in everything from Cat A to D, so knows what he is talking about. Odd as it may seem to the more 'reactionary' members of this forum, keeping an animal in sh*t does indeed produces a pig....
The most effective prison he worked in, in terms of rates of re-offending, was a Cat D open borstal in deepest Suffolk, where young scroats from London starting out on their criminal careers were housed in decent conditions and worked primarily on the farm. The worst was Armley which is a Victorian Cat B and a truly horrible place for inmates and staff.
It all got considerably worse when John Major began privatisation of prisons in the early 1990s, and now the staff to 'client' ratio is so low that it is no wonder that sh*t-holes like Liverpool exist.
The answer? Get rid of the Victorian prisons, give the inmates physical work that produces a product and gives them a sense of purpose, and pay Officers more money so the decent ones stay to train better quality recruits. Reinstate the rank of Chief Officer and employ some real, hard bastards who hate drugs. Not complicated. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Well I have a cunning plan......
Put all the horrible nasty vermin serving life in the horrible old Victorian prisons. They aren't getting out (till they are old) so it doesn't matter if they feel victimised.
Concentrate on putting the other prisons right, prisoners will be happy and not reoffend and everything will be kittens and roses.
Or am I being a bit simplistic!
The thing boils down to money, as with just about anything nowadays. If we had enough to knock down all the old prisons, build new ones and employ enough Prison Officers it would be good. we don't, so who is going to suffer, the NHS, schools, mental health, Diane Abbott's pension and expense account or prisoners? ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Polarbear wrote: | Well I have a cunning plan......
Put all the horrible nasty vermin serving life in the horrible old Victorian prisons. They aren't getting out (till they are old) so it doesn't matter if they feel victimised.
Concentrate on putting the other prisons right, prisoners will be happy and not reoffend and everything will be kittens and roses.
Or am I being a bit simplistic!
The thing boils down to money, as with just about anything nowadays. If we had enough to knock down all the old prisons, build new ones and employ enough Prison Officers it would be good. we don't, so who is going to suffer, the NHS, schools, mental health, Diane Abbott's pension and expense account or prisoners? |
How about refusing to award prison contracts to G4S and the like until the put their hands in their pocket to build some decent prisons? ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Well I have a cunning plan......
Put all the horrible nasty vermin serving life in the horrible old Victorian prisons. They aren't getting out (till they are old) so it doesn't matter if they feel victimised.
Concentrate on putting the other prisons right, prisoners will be happy and not reoffend and everything will be kittens and roses.
Or am I being a bit simplistic!
The thing boils down to money, as with just about anything nowadays. If we had enough to knock down all the old prisons, build new ones and employ enough Prison Officers it would be good. we don't, so who is going to suffer, the NHS, schools, mental health, Diane Abbott's pension and expense account or prisoners? |
How about refusing to award prison contracts to G4S and the like until the put their hands in their pocket to build some decent prisons? |
If that's possible, do it. I admit I have no idea of the extent of their involvement. Do they employ the prison officers? ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 138 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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