Liverpool Prison - worst conditions ever seen......

[Diggs]

"Central to our philosophy is the relationship between staff and offenders" is what it says in the G4S job description. What a load of rubbish!!! It used to be that Officers on a wing got to know the decent prisoners and tried to help the vulnerable ones. Now there are so few G4S 'Officers' that this doesn't happen and wings are controlled by gangs.

A mate of mine was a Prison Officer until his establishment went private and he had to take a job with G4S. He left the service shortly afterwards in part because reduced staffing numbers meant little chance of immediate back-up whenever there was trouble. This reduction in numbers lead in turn to the bullies taking control, and now everything in prisons revolves around the supply of drugs. Without an increase in staff numbers the situation won't change and 'clients' will continue to come out more f*cked up than when they went in.
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[Suntan Sid]

Well I had no idea that Walton prison was still up and running, I assumed it became disused when they built the new prison in Fazakerley.
All the talk of non payment of fines, when I lived in and worked not too far away from there, it was always said that Walton prison was a debtors prison, not sure if that was true, at the time.
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[Rogerborg]

[Sun Wukong]

I'm with HT, in that dehumanising criminals leads to higher rates of re-offence.

The cost of prison is the time without building your career, without having sex (hopefully ) and without the freedom to mingle with people you like.

It doesn't need to be a horror house.

As others have said though, capital punishment of various crimes seems to be a good way to ease congestion in the services.

Repeat offenders for just about anything with a direct victim, pretty much need removing.

There are plenty of people, though, who consider it a nice place to be. Ala these boys

Positive Thinking Guys

That's where it becomes a bit galling, if you do make it too "humane", some people would like to move in long term. Not everyone has much life ambition.
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[DrSnoosnoo]

I did enter this thread thinking, "poor cwims, boohoo".

I've changed my mind after reading these comments. While I'm not saying they should have playstations etc., I feel the "facilities" should be at least clean and fit for function. I also agree with the idea that the inmates be put to work, farming is a pretty good idea. Get them up nice n early, give them a good feed and load them onto a bus when it's harvest time. At the end, well done lads (n lasses n all in between and extra) you've fed the country.
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[Rogerborg]

They could learn a trade while they're in. Glazing, fixing toilets, pest extermination. Opportunities, not problems.
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[Rogerborg]

[Itchy]

[DrSnoosnoo]

[Rogerborg]

[TbirdX]

I've solved this already..in fact it's a triple win.

All prisoners should be made to run on treadmills every day, connect said mills to the grid.

No run, no money or treats.

Everyone runs, gives them a purpose, we get free energy and everyone comes out of prison fitter and healthier, thus saving more money for the NHS.

Sorted.

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[Itchy]

[TbirdX]

[Jmoan]

[Hetzer]

You don't break cons by treating them like shit (the ones who aren't muppets at least, a minority), you turn them into vicious and vengeful re-offenders. Guys who never got done for more than dealing/trafficking pot, they come out in many cases with a real thirst for payback (and understandably so).

But the scum responsible for the prison conditions, the real sociopathic criminals, they don't give a shit about the consequences for Joe Public, being as how they're not part of it.

But ya'll keep up your cretinous mob-minded baying and pray it's not one of your nearest and dearest who falls foul of an ex-con with an agenda.

Cattle.
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[Johnnythefox]

maybe people could not commit crimes?

[Polarbear]

[Ste]

[Itchy]

[Rogerborg]

Life will eventually catch up with 2000 AD.

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