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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Improving motorcycle training: consultation results Reply with quote

DVSA Derek wrote:
Last year, we held a consultation on proposals to improve the way that motorcycle training works in Great Britain.

In our latest blog post, Mark Winn, Head of Rider and Vocational Policy, explains how the proposals will work and how we'll be progressing them in the new year.

They even have a Paint diagram.

https://despatch.blog.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/131/2017/12/Motorcycle_consultation_icons_red.png

Bear in mind that the DVSA has no authority to change most of this, so it's aspirational.

Summary:

Replace the separate CBT and DAS instructor qualifications with a single qualification to do both. More quality checking by DVSA. Alas, poor Teffers.

restructure CBT courses to focus on:
the importance of equipment and safety clothing
on-site training
motorcycling theory
on-road practical riding skills.

That's the stuff they can change. Then there's a big list of things that require the DVLA to cooperate, or legislative changes (good luck with that).

[They propose] to introduce a training option to let riders below the age of 24 ride larger motorcycles by progressive access, without having to take a further practical test. But since they can't actually do that, they'll have yet another "consultation" and punt it further into the long grass.

They want to restrict pedboi CBTers to riding scootays. But again, they can't, so, moar consults.

Revoke CBT certificates if you get 6 points, but... (you get the picture now).

Pass theory / hazard perception before CBT, but... This is an interesting one since theory passes expire after 2 years same as CBTs, meaning you'd have to pass theory again if you wanted to renew your CBT. It might conceivably get more folk to do their A1 tests rather than being eternaLearners. Or folk might just ride indefinitely anyway with very few fvcks given by anyone.

tl;dr summary of the tl;dr summary: nothing will change for riders, because they can't change anything.

DVSA Derek wrote:
We’ll be consulting further, in Spring 2018, to get your views on:

a licence upgrade training course
restricting riders to the type of motorcycle that they completed CBT with
revoking CBT certificates
taking a theory test before or as part of CBT

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PostPosted: 11:04 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice summary that.

As base point aspirations it's hard to argue with the sentiments.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least its a step in the right direction, and all seem sensible ideas
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with all of it.

My beef is that they're spending our money and wasting their time and ours (we all responded, right?) holding multiple consultations on things that they have no realistic prospect of implementing. Teasing bitches.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure auto CBT only entitles you to Auto certificate now. Mrs Grrs CBT certificate earlier this year had that restriction.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought that was only still part of the proposals?
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Pretty sure auto CBT only entitles you to Auto certificate now. Mrs Grrs CBT certificate earlier this year had that restriction.

Nope.

They note on it what you used to do the CBT, but it means nothing. Having a DL196 unconditionally validates your provisional entitlement to ride anything age appropriate, auto or manual.

You can get off of a 49cc moped and go training on a Firebusa.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fancy that, I thought that meant it was restricted. Live and learn. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAS only instructors though? That'll hit a few training schools that use part time CBT trainers to help out in the busy, summer, months.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
DAS only instructors though? That'll hit a few training schools that use part time CBT trainers to help out in the busy, summer, months.

Or deputy assistant backup CBT pseudo-trainers. Yes, that one is going to be a pickle, but viewed another way:

DAS: Instruct a candidate over several days and then present them to DVSA Derek for two tests.

CBT: A couple of hours of wobbling around a car park, round the block, then sign them off as safe to try their luck on their JoyPop 125s for two years.

CBT should be done to a higher standard than DAS training, if anything.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
ScaredyCat wrote:
DAS only instructors though? That'll hit a few training schools that use part time CBT trainers to help out in the busy, summer, months.

Or deputy assistant backup CBT pseudo-trainers. Yes, that one is going to be a pickle, but viewed another way:

DAS: Instruct a candidate over several days and then present them to DVSA Derek for two tests.

CBT: A couple of hours of wobbling around a car park, round the block, then sign them off as safe to try their luck on their JoyPop 125s for two years.

CBT should be done to a higher standard than DAS training, if anything.


Edit: Psychological Profiling of CBTers to remove weak genes from the loop before they involve innocents with their cavortery. (i. e. : Fail Academy students)

edit b: DVSA lost the plot when they took the Yooroh speed limit literally and thought since we can't do 33.3MPH on urban roads then we need special off-road test centres.
There was nothing in the 3rd directive to say you cannot modify to suit regional rules.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The laugh being that under Mike "the bike" Penning, we reduced the mod 1 pass speed to 48kph (oh noes, a minor) which is under 30mph anyway.

We could have moved the whole thing back on-road, but DVSA Derek (local versions) pooh-poohed that. Such danger, very riskfactor.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like the usual load of garbage, incrementally restricting what you can do.
The only difference being the training upgrade proposal.

grr666 wrote:
Fancy that, I thought that meant it was restricted. Live and learn. Thumbs Up


It does come across as them getting ahead of themselves if they have misleading info on it.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 24 Dec 2017    Post subject: Electronic certificate. Reply with quote

The ability to put details onto an online CBT register is great. But Dvsa IT can't handle it yet. Excellent, why didn't they add compulsory rainpaltm training too?
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