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linuxyeti
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Beware!! who gets the blame if an autonomous vehicle knocks Reply with quote

... you off

Can see the same apportioning of blame coming our way in the UK as well ..

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-general-news/driverless-car-collides-motorcycle-%E2%80%93-and-rider-blamed
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor obs.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably, although the way I read it, the car started to move into another lane, but then, reversed it's decision and moved back into it's current lane..
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at it from an individual Dibble's point of view: are they going to want to be the first to try and drag an algorithm into court?

Far easier to finger the meatsack, especially if it's a filtering biker.

At a meta level, there will be political pressure encouragement to give robocar a free pass because Progress. When the Legitimate Businessmen's Robobus had a prang in Las Vegas recently, I don't think there was much doubt who was getting handed a spade and told to start walking into the desert.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the decision would have been the same had it been a meatsack driver TBH. It's not a precedent as such, and it certainly doesn't mean we should go all 'Chicken Little' over here in the UK.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little crash here or there will be the least of our worries with this "robots taking over".
We are all fcked.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
Probably, although the way I read it, the car started to move into another lane, but then, reversed it's decision and moved back into it's current lane..


The crux of it seems to be the lane splitting, though.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:29 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think in this country, certainly in a non-autonamous vehicle, if a vehicle signalled and started to change lane then aborted the manouver and swerved back in causing a crash, the driver would be guilty of driving without due care and attention. Both for the initial manouver they aborted AND for the resulting swerve.

The way the law works in the US, I suspect the result would have been the same had the autonamous vehicle been manned. The presumption is against the filtering motorcycle and careless, random lane-swapping is the norm, as is passing on both sides. Filtering is still barely tolerated and even then only in 1 out of 52 states. In some states, if you deliberately swiped a filtering bike off the road, the police would tell you you did the right thing.

In short. I don't think it was anything to do with it being an autonamous vehicle. The result would have been the same in a manned vehicle and equally, would have been different here.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
It's not a precedent as such

Sure, it'll be decades before robots completely take over bike-mashing duties from Extreme Rescue Ltd.
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PostPosted: 01:59 - 04 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I think in this country, certainly in a non-autonamous vehicle, if a vehicle signalled and started to change lane then aborted the manouver and swerved back in causing a crash, the driver would be guilty of driving without due care and attention. Both for the initial manouver they aborted AND for the resulting swerve.

The way the law works in the US, I suspect the result would have been the same had the autonamous vehicle been manned. The presumption is against the filtering motorcycle and careless, random lane-swapping is the norm, as is passing on both sides. Filtering is still barely tolerated and even then only in 1 out of 52 states. In some states, if you deliberately swiped a filtering bike off the road, the police would tell you you did the right thing.

In short. I don't think it was anything to do with it being an autonamous vehicle. The result would have been the same in a manned vehicle and equally, would have been different here.


∆∆∆ This.

SMIDSY is not a thing out here, where motorcyclists are concerned the acronym you are looking for would be IDGAF. Sad
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 04 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:

∆∆∆ This.

SMIDSY is not a thing out here, where motorcyclists are concerned the acronym you are looking for would be IDGAF. Sad


Had a failbook trollol with a murcan dude a few weeks ago as one state or another were voting to legalise lane splitting and he was convinced it was a bad idea because it's horrible driving in California because you have to pay attention all the time. I'm gonna have to try to find his facebook profile picture later so that you can all see what an absolute toothless simpleton inbred he is, and indeed his family, are.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 04 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:



. I'm gonna have to try to find his facebook profile picture later so that you can all see what an absolute toothless simpleton inbred he is, and indeed his family, are.




we have all seen bodyfucktards picture already
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 04 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
he was convinced it was a bad idea because it's horrible driving in California because you have to pay attention all the time.

You could have fooled me, given the number of wrecks that you can see littering the freeways.

Responsible road use is "buy a Prius" and defensive driving means "don't make eye contact with those cholo mofos."

Robocar makes sense in California. Not so much in Camden.
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