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biker7 wrote: | The first time you ride a big bike and get that phwoooaaar moment, you will know what I mean! |
That, plus it's also easier to ride them slowly too.
No, really, it is. Having bags of torquepowers on hand means that there isn't the same imperative to maximise momentum, cane them everywhere, and ride at the limit of their performance.
Straight up, I ride my 250 faster and less carefully than my GS, because that's how it begs to be ridden. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I'm lucky enough to have got my licence in the days before CBT, and all the other obstacles that have to be navigated these days to get a full "ride anything" bike licence. Was this a good thing? The answer is, I don't know. Many of my generation got badly hurt or much worse through lack of training and too much bike too soon. I was lucky in that I made it through my early years on bikes relatively unscathed.
It's hard to compare a 17 year old boy in the seventies with a 40 something adult these days. You will have the benefit of maturity (though at 56 I'm apparently not up to speed on that yet ), you'll likely have a lot of experience in cars so you're probably in a much more favourable position than I was for getting through the learning process. I could ride an unrestricted 250 on a provisional licence that would do close to 100mph. A fast car in those days would do maybe 110 but the majority were much slower. The speed differential is much greater these days - average family car will do maybe 120 while a learner legal bike is, I imagine, much less capable in terms of speed than what I could ride as a learner. There's also so much more traffic on the roads these days.
I don't even know what all the hurdles are for getting the full licence but I think that in your position I'd be looking to get it done and out of the way. I wouldn't however be looking to jump on a big bike too soon - like anything in life there's little substitute for experience and the only way to get it is to do the miles. That said, the thought of riding a 125 in traffic these days horrifies me and the sooner you get off them the better from a safety point of view. |
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I'm lucky enough to have got my licence in the days before CBT, and all the other obstacles that have to be navigated these days to get a full "ride anything" bike licence. Was this a good thing? The answer is, I don't know. Many of my generation got badly hurt or much worse through lack of training and too much bike too soon. I was lucky in that I made it through my early years on bikes relatively unscathed.
It's hard to compare a 17 year old boy in the seventies with a 40 something adult these days. You will have the benefit of maturity (though at 56 I'm apparently not up to speed on that yet ), you'll likely have a lot of experience in cars so you're probably in a much more favourable position than I was for getting through the learning process. I could ride an unrestricted 250 on a provisional licence that would do close to 100mph. A fast car in those days would do maybe 110 but the majority were much slower. The speed differential is much greater these days - average family car will do maybe 120 while a learner legal bike is, I imagine, much less capable in terms of speed than what I could ride as a learner. There's also so much more traffic on the roads these days.
I don't even know what all the hurdles are for getting the full licence but I think that in your position I'd be looking to get it done and out of the way. I wouldn't however be looking to jump on a big bike too soon - like anything in life there's little substitute for experience and the only way to get it is to do the miles. That said, the thought of riding a 125 in traffic these days horrifies me and the sooner you get off them the better from a safety point of view. |
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | - you could get your full license on a 125 iirc, i.e. do your mod 1 and 2 on it and then ride anything, providing your were over 24. Someone correct me on this. If I'm right, it was 4-5 years ago. |
Pre 3DL rules of 2013;
a) Full A with >33bhp for 2 years 'restriction' awarded for M/C Theory/Haz + Mod 1 +Mod 2.
Restriction automatically lapsed and granted unrestricted 'A' entitlement, after 2 years.
b) DAS grated over 21's right to test for Full 'A' without 2 year 33bhp restriction, if they passed on a bike over 400cc.
exact same licence as testing on a 125, just no wait to ride unrestricted power, and a chunk load more money to find for a course.
A 17 yr old could take tests on a 125, and have unrestricted A, two years ahead of being eligible to test under DAS rules.
c) A1 was awarded if you tested on a bike under 120cc or beneath minimum 60mph top speed.
Few bothered with it; tests cost the same. Some did ride older cheaper A1 spec bikes though, on L's, as cheaper to buy and insure, and either perpetually L-Plated on successive CBT's, or dragged it out until old enough to 'waste' savings of cheaper L-Plater, doing a DAS course!
Until 1935, you obtained a driving licence just by paying a fee and applying for one! The the car driving test was introduced, but AFAIK there was no motorcycle test, at all. Tests were suspended during WWII, and I believe that the motorcycle test was introduced ether when the car test was re-convened, or shortly after in the early '50's.. but there was no strict requirement to test, for a bike; you could ride any cc as long as you displayed L-Plates, and didn't carry a pillion, intl circa 1961, when the 250 learner limit that lasted until 1983 came in.
Under 250 Learner Laws, you could ride any motorcycle up to 250cc on L-Plates, no pillion, at age 16, until the 1973 moped laws when a moped licence was offered as concession to 16 year-olds when they rationalized the age eligibility for ether car or bike licence to 17.
The high-performance 250 of the late 60's & early 70's, begat the cult of perpetual L-Platers, with 250 machines starting to offer twin cylinder engines, and power and performance levels that could rival that of many much larger 'big-bikes' of less than a decade earlier, which were seldom much over 650cc, ad more comonly 350 or 500's and as frequently single's not twins, and usually not screaming two-strokes!
In response to this mockery of the bike licence, the 1983 learner laws imposed a 125cc learner limit on engine capacity, as well as 12.5bhp power limit. A 'Part-1' test 'similar' to CBT was introduced at the same time, along with a 2 year validity of a provisional M/C entitlement. If you didn't pass a test, ten M/C provisional entitlement was suspended for one year, and you had to re-apply for anther licence to get to re-instated
Curiously converting a provisional to a full licence by taking 'any' category of licence test from a road-roller or lawn-mower, lifted the 2 year 'life' restriction of m/c provisional etitlement, IF you had asked for provisional M/C entitlement when you applied for first provisional.
The Part-One test, was a state secret! They didn't tell you needed one until your 2-years were almost up and you tried to book a Mod 2 test! Then you found out that Part 1's were conducted by schools, not the driving examiners... and the 'real' test was trying to track one down!
It was superseded circa 1990 by the CBT which was required to 'validate' provisional entitlement. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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Rogerborg wrote: | Teflon-Mike wrote: | Until 1935, you obtained a driving licence just by paying a fee and applying for one! |
Who loaned you the money? |
In 1935, I don't even think my GRANDAD was even old enough to have a driving licence!
In fact, though I'm not sure; Vale Onslow was allegedly caught about that time driving his Dad's van, and local Bobby asked to see driving licence he didn't have, so at 13 went and did the test, causing consternation with the desk-sergeant, who couldn't find anything in the rules that said he was too young, he just had to prove he could drive... which they assumed he couldn't being too short to see over the steering wheel....
Apparently he had a thick cushion and had screwed 3" blocks to the pedals....
Is that how you did it? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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Tef strikes back!!!
waiting for Episode three, Revenge of the Borg.
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Thank You! I wasn't a fan if i'm honest I know her name was Sandy and that's about it! ____________________ Previous Bike: Skyjet SJ27
Sold: Yamaha YZF 600 R Thundercat. Sold: ZX636R
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 112 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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