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OK, but, when you say compare the price of a new R1
which is from £ 16,199.00
The price for a new Zero doesn't look at all bad.
Baring in mind, the electric bike will not require the level of service an ice bike will, plus, 'fuel' costs will also be considerably less.
As for the battery, I think in the Zero the battery life overall is supposed to be ~ 180,000 miles, I think, can't fully remember now, and even the battery pack on the Zero is 124,000 miles ..
So, properly maintained, the batteries should easily last more than 5 years, unless of course you do cover the above mileage, but, by then I'm pretty sure the rest of the bike will be 'well used' and probably only fit for scrap anyhow.. Don't see too many bikes on the market having covered > 100,000 miles !
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vanderbale wrote: | it looks like the battery will be replaced if it falls below 80% capacity within the warranty period. |
I believe that so much that I'll affirm it twice. aye, right.
Granted, the evoke is the most credible effort I've seen to date but the price will be critical. They've floated £6000 - £7000 but whether that's before or after the £1500 taxpayer subsidy is unclear. At £7000 of my money, no thanks. At £4500 (in addition to what's already been robbed from me), I would give it serious consideration.
If there were a dealer nearby. One that's likely to be around and supporting evokes for at least 5 years.
Which there isn't, and won't be.
First world problems. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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That 80% will be fine if you can prove it. My bike did 100 mile when new and now only does 80 isn't going to cut the mustard.
My betting is that until batteries become cheap as chips they will be more adept at weaselling out of payment than an insurance company.
Oh and Linux, when comparing a Zero against the R1, one of the best, top of the line ICE superbikes, it looks SHIT.
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Yeah the Zero won't be a top end bike in terms of build quality, after all it's American (they don't do quality), and as mentioned I recognised some of the bits as cheap eBay jobbies.
It's the performance with the running costs that's the selling point. If a major manufacturer is able to develop a bike for a bit less, with the build quality you'd expect from a flagship model (semi snigger), that might be a game changer. |
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M.C wrote: | the running costs |
Total cost of ownership includes resale price.
At the moment, electromobiles enjoy the success of scarcity, so I imagine used prices today will be robust.
Buy now and sell in $CURRENT_YEAR + 5 and you'll be punting on obsolete tech, possibly of an unsupported and defunct brand, with the buyer taking on all the risk of the battery being kaput.
How exactly would you test the remaining real world range of a used electromobile? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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M.C wrote: | I assume someone would be able to tell you the health of the battery. |
Why? Who? A dealer?
M.C wrote: | I was kinda assuming if a major manufacturer gets in on the act, they'll be sold on the same PCP deals, so that'll be the manufacturers problem. |
BMW do a leccy scootay, so let's see.
https://www.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/en/models/urban_mobility/cevolution.html
OTR £11,075.00
Notional value after 3 years and no more than 15,000 miles: £5,242.95
But at 9.9% APR they'll rinse you for... wow, £8005 over 3 years before you get the option to pay them another £5243, or walk away.
That's at least 54p per mile (if you use every inch of your 15,000 allowance), before any running costs.
Cheap motoring? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Oh, the batteries should last and most of them will. Just like most ICEs won't have a problem. The issue is what support is available when things do go wrong.
Given that even Honda main dealers cheerfully tell customers to go flux themselves, I wouldn't put any trust in evoke (a subsidiary of Pong-Eey Fish Concerns) or any of the other novelty brands to back their e-trinkets. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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And yet they manage to in other applications.
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Manage to what? test lead acid, test lithium? What applications? I would love to see some sort of app or software that can test the condition of a leisure battery without doing cycles, charging and discharging rates, I could make a fortune in the boat and camper industries.
Even my tracer battery controller on my boat that control's the charge rate from my solar panels and monitors the battery state can't tell me it's actual condition, only it's voltage and current flow. My boats batteries are on their last legs, they just about last overnight with me using an LED telly and LED lights yet they can still charge up to 14V which leads the controller to say they are fine. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 101 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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