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PostPosted: 16:52 - 12 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I accept part of the UK voting to leave was because Remain ran an arrogant and crap campaign... despite spending 9 million on leafleting every house, and then scrambling to extend voter registration whilst coincidentally launching a social media campaign, which Farage at the time said he thought would make the difference.

But that bus tho'.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 13 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But that bus tho'.

This is the bus of the real leave campaign.

https://i.imgur.com/5tCaTbk.png?1

If you're thinking of another one, that's probably just the "official" one.

Unaccountable, self appointed Officialdom was one of the things against which Leave voters were rebelling.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 16 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, damn, how unexpected. From paywall shitlords @ TheTimes but blabbed by Breitbart, Brussels is already reneging on the agreement to allow us to block the mass migration swarm.

We initially wanted the cut off date for permanent-rights migrants to be the Brexit vote day in 2016 (if you weren't here then, don't swarm in now), then capitulated to the actual out-day in 2019, and now they're rubbing their damp, grey paws and saying "Mais, nein, ze deal, she 'as, how you zay... shane-jed."

Full rights to anyone who can gets a foot across the Channel up until 2021. In practice, that means anyone who just comes over, applies for indefinite rights, innit, then sods off - they only have to re-visit twice a decade to retain full rights indefinitely. Reminder: those rights includes claiming UK benefits, including child benefit for their children who live abroad. Brick Wall

And that's Brussels going in with the Tippex before they have the hundred billion in free monies.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 16 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a no deal then, or if not, riots and protest for being ignored.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly it was always going to be a 'no deal', as our negotiators could never achieve what (some of) the electorate thought they'd voted for, i.e. no more swarthy gentlemen in cheap denim taking our jobs and raping our women.... Who'd have thought!
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great news With eye on Brexit talks, May to deepen security ties with France.

"But in talks at Sandhurst, Britainís army officer training academy, she will be under pressure from Macron to accept more asylum seekers and to pay more for border security on the French side of the Channel."

This sounds like Trump and the whole Mexicans will pay for the wall electoral promise.
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tragic open Euroborders news today. Poster boy for Romanian migration Victor Spirescu dies in a car crash.

Aw bless, he was engaged. Without a ring, because that's meaningless. Like seatbelts, going by that picture.

I am surprised though - I'd set up a Googleswatch in the expectation that he'd show up for tax dodging, drinky-stabby, or struggle cuddle. Still, plenty of opportunities remoan for millions more Victors to come over, work, earn money, go home.
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PostPosted: 07:54 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I met a foreigner once.
As far as I know , I wasnít stabbed ,raped or robbed.
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
I met a foreigner once.
As far as I know , I wasnít stabbed ,raped or robbed.

£2.50 for the Big Issue is highway robbery.

I do wonder what Victor's net contribution to the UK economy will have been once the clean up and investigation is finished.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are going to hate someone ,hate them with facts , not what they possibly might have done.
How about you join in hating this good solid British person whose mother my dad unfortunately married.
He must be knocking on 60now. Never worked a day in his life nor has his wife and kids. They are supplied housing and a new car every few years.
He is a cunt ,if you really feel the need to hate people ,you can hate that parasite as much as you like.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tish, there's enough hatred in my heart for everyone.

We're fine for home grown spongers and wasters, thanks: that's why we don't need another 3 years (and the rest) for every no-clunk-no-click crash happy Greater Germanian to swarm in.
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
Sadly it was always going to be a 'no deal', as our negotiators could never achieve what (some of) the electorate thought they'd voted for, i.e. no more swarthy gentlemen in cheap denim taking our jobs and raping our women.... Who'd have thought!


I don't believe that. I believe they're going in with different priorities and are too inept anyway.

IMO the majority of leave voters don't give a shiny shite about the single market, if it means we still have to endure uncontrolled immigration and interfering from Brussels.

The EU really are taking the piss out of us now and we seem to be in no hurry to leave. Have you heard about the pulse fishing trial?
It's illegal in the EU, but the EU have funded a load of Dutch fishermen to upgrade their boats to use pulse electric shock trawling.

These Dutch fishing boats, are apparently doing it under trial and doing it in OUR waters. It kills all marine life which falls within its path, most of which doesn't get scooped up and rots.
According to our fishermen, it's decimating stock and areas where they've been operating are baron and dead.

It's been withdrawn now, but will take months for the EU to formally stop the Dutch from decimating our fish stocks before we leave.
It's deliberate "feck you" from the EU and we're still pissing about dragging on and capitulating to even more concessions.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lupo wrote:
Great news With eye on Brexit talks, May to deepen security ties with France.

"But in talks at Sandhurst, Britainís army officer training academy, she will be under pressure from Macron to accept more asylum seekers and to pay more for border security on the French side of the Channel."

This sounds like Trump and the whole Mexicans will pay for the wall electoral promise.


They are illegal immigrants in France just as they are when they try to enter the UK illegally.

The French seem to ignore this as they hope they'll all soon be our problem. What they should be doing is rounding them up and processing them as illegal immigrants. This and only this, is the only solution to the constant flow gathering at Calais.

All the time they know they're ignored and almost encouraged by the French authorities, the flow will never stop.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
If you are going to hate someone ,hate them with facts , not what they possibly might have done.
How about you join in hating this good solid British person whose mother my dad unfortunately married.
He must be knocking on 60now. Never worked a day in his life nor has his wife and kids. They are supplied housing and a new car every few years.
He is a cunt ,if you really feel the need to hate people ,you can hate that parasite as much as you like.


We have enough of our own shitheads without importing the finest from the rest of the planet.

Uncontrolled immigration brings nothing positive to this country. Controlled immigration means we can pick and choose and turn away the incoming shitheads.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg. , would you say that the benefits system is at fault over the immigration policy?
The person I refer to allegedly has a bad back but still earns a few quid doing removals.
When I try and grass him up the MAN really don't seem interested. The fact that the fucker is still at liberty is proof that they aren't really that fussed.
They probably don't have resources to follow it up.
His kids are now having kids and getting housing.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
Rogerborg. , would you say that the benefits system is at fault over the immigration policy?

Of course it is. A generous welfare state, or open borders, they can't both be sustained.

Totes true and real Katie Hopkins report: [Whistleblowing doctor] notes, ruefully, that any welfare claimant or migrant worth their salt will have at minimum, backache and depression / stress on their file as standard.

The relevance to Brexit is that the #1 issue for Leavers was immigration (cuz racialist and that), but Treasona May is currently offering to pay Macron £44 million in return for giving us another swarm of hulking, smirking, wrinkled "children". That's not how negotiations work. Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's ok though, they're not importing the fundamental human rights over. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
Rogerborg. , would you say that the benefits system is at fault over the immigration policy?
The person I refer to allegedly has a bad back but still earns a few quid doing removals.
When I try and grass him up the MAN really don't seem interested. The fact that the fucker is still at liberty is proof that they aren't really that fussed.
They probably don't have resources to follow it up.
His kids are now having kids and getting housing.

You can't be doing it right then. A friend grassed his benefit thief neighbour up, and the guys had to go into hiding Smile Similar thing, free car, supposedly incapacitated but working. I don't believe in grassing but it was a drawn out affair where Mr Benefit Theif was being a tw@, rather than keeping his head down.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
It's ok though, they're not importing the fundamental human rights over. Thumbs Up


Butthurt about the vote yesterday?
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 18 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dunno, did you just go full mpd?

ECHR was voted not to be retained. The This is charter of fundamental rights that are enshrined in the EU.

The ECHR means you can't legally be imprisoned without trial or arrested for membership of a political party. Note this was tested in 1971, 1975 and 1978 when the ECHR actively blocked it. This covered the internment of Northern Ireland people without any charge or due process.

On top of this there is a huge sweeping range of rights that will be lost (or rather, guarantees of rights) by this, including, for example, employment rights, data protection, bioethics (eugenics, organ trading, etc), and protections for children.


Just let me pre-empt a few counter arguments:

The Human Rights Act 1998 will still exist. The problem is though The Human Rights Act isn't worth much, it can be changed by a majority of MPs at any time without further consequence, far from representing a majority of people. Fundamental rights aren't fundamental if they can be removed because one election leans slightly in wrong direction.


The safeguards are 'trust us we would never do anything bad'
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 19 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since we don't have a UK constitution, or a concept of super-laws, how would you enshrine principles in an inviolable UK statute written by one parliament, that a later parliament could never, ever change?

A "no takesy-backsies" clause?

Aside, what was wrong with internment?
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 19 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:
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I dunno, did you just go full mpd?

ECHR was voted not to be retained. The This is charter of fundamental rights that are enshrined in the EU.

The ECHR means you can't legally be imprisoned without trial or arrested for membership of a political party. Note this was tested in 1971, 1975 and 1978 when the ECHR actively blocked it. This covered the internment of Northern Ireland people without any charge or due process.

On top of this there is a huge sweeping range of rights that will be lost (or rather, guarantees of rights) by this, including, for example, employment rights, data protection, bioethics (eugenics, organ trading, etc), and protections for children.


Just let me pre-empt a few counter arguments:

The Human Rights Act 1998 will still exist. The problem is though The Human Rights Act isn't worth much, it can be changed by a majority of MPs at any time without further consequence, far from representing a majority of people. Fundamental rights aren't fundamental if they can be removed because one election leans slightly in wrong direction.


The safeguards are 'trust us we would never do anything bad'


Three basic points. Firstly it wasn't required to begin with. It's largely a series of entitlements tacked on to basic human rights for the purposes of Federalist integration. It has no bearing on the core principles of human rights which owe their existence to the British system anyway. We are not withdrawing from the European Convention on Human Rights. Not yet at least.

Secondly, this does not repeal any of the laws passed to implement the Articles. ECFR brings into being a number of laws via directives, all of which is standalone domestic legislation. There is next to zero chance of them being repealed.

Finally, it refers to the Union as the legal territory and grants it authority. "This Charter reaffirms, with due regard for the powers and tasks of the Union". If we are ending EU jurisdiction then it has to go, simple as that. That anyone would vote to retain ECFR demonstrates they have not actually read it.

This then begs the question of whether we want our own charter of rights or whether we revert to the British model of having the constitution undefined but embodied by the broader statue book. If we are to have something like the ECFR then it should be looked at in the context of wider constitutional reform. Bottom line... this is a total non-story.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 19 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
A "no takesy-backsies" clause?


Such a document already exists. It was written in 1215. It's actually irrevocable.

The only reason it has been superseded is the same reason why fiat money has value because of government leg breaky.

Much like normal customs and laws of society don't apply when somebody holds a gun to your head.

Rogerborg wrote:
Aside, what was wrong with


Because of the 1215 great charter gives due process. Also if you enact policies that cause more people to join up then it's not a good policy is it?

It's why the US lost the Vietnam war. Each atrocity they committed 1000s more.

Same thing in Iraq, the ill treatment of prisoners was a direct cause of ISIS.

Same thing in Afghanistan which is why the US and UK walked away totally humiliated.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 19 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:

This then begs the question of whether we want our own charter of rights or whether we revert to the British model of having the constitution undefined but embodied by the broader statue book. If we are to have something like the ECFR then it should be looked at in the context of wider constitutional reform. Bottom line... this is a total non-story.



How is it a non story? Effectively you have no rights whatsoever other than implied ones that are thought to exist but may not.

So you're celebrating the lack of rights? Call me names or anything but I don't think this is a particularly good thing.

When taken in the context of May who says she will change laws to get her own laws the EU said no to. It actually is much worse.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 19 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
A "no takesy-backsies" clause?

Such a document already exists. It was written in 1215.

The fiat one written by a bunch of robber barons acting out of selfish interest without the slightest democratic mandate?


Itchy wrote:
It's actually irrevocable.

It's actually (in factual reality outside of Freemental forums) been completely ignored for centuries by both parliament and the courts.

What was the last case that was won based on Magna Carta?

What would be the mechanism by which Westminster would create any such document today, where one set of MPs could decree what another set of MPs must or must never do?

Even if was so written, why wouldn't the future tranche just assert similar super powers of their own in order to undo it?

Why shouldn't they? If 1950s MPs had said "Marriage will be forever protected from the gays. So, no bummers, not ever." should that stand as eternal law? Is that what you're saying?

Wow, I never had you pegged as a homophobe. Shocked
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