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Some-one has ridden from Australia to Britain on a C90....
I guess they had to stop and fill up a few times..... so what do you mean by 'range'? How far you can go on a tank of petrol, rather depends on the size of the petrol tank; how far you can go before it starts to hurt rather depends on how hardy you are!
It's a piece of string question really....
PERSONALLY.. I wouldn't plan to ride a scooter very far at all..... automotive anathema's, with shopping trolley sized wheels and perverse weight distribution.... bit of a bumble be, and its astounding they even work, to be honest, but still.
A little empirical analysis in recent years made me question the merits of light-weights vs heavy-weights; I tended to start to 'suffer' and not want to cover much more than maybe 25 miles at a stretch on the 125, where I'd happily spend there, four, five hours at a stretch on the 750... and I had been reasonably convinced that big-bikes were all day comfort, little ones for short hop'fun' and popping to the shops... but then I had to use the 750 to pop to the shops.... and I realised it was the demands of short hop city traffic that made ANY bike more tiring to ride, not the size of its engine!
BUT... STOP STRESSING!
You have yet to do our CBT 'first lesson'.. and that is to validate your provisional so you ca practice ad learn to do tests... not ride around dodging them! You shouldn't rally be planning very day city commuting, or long haul touring, on L-Plates!!!!!!!
IF you have what it takes to tackle the daily grind every day, or tackle long haul excursions into unfamiliar parts, YOU CAN PASS TESTS!!!!!
Tests are hardly brain surgery! Theory/Haz is regurgitating the books, and playing a computer game. Mod 1, is the CBT cone exercises, with a little confidence and finesse, Mod 2 half an hour riding across town without falling off, crashing or killing any-one!
IF you ca do that every day, riding a 125 on L-Plates, you can have a licence, for £120, and ever have to do another CBT..... IF YOU CAN'T...... then, should you be considering every day commuting, or longer haul excursions?
You would probably be best off, using 125 on L's as intended to get your confidence up, get some practice in and do a little learning, in your own time, not on the way to work, in cut and thrust of most hazard strew traffic .. and taking tests for the full licence.
Don't sweat the small-stuff! Go get that first lesson and start learning sh!t! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?'
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asta1 wrote: | Bike'll do it. No reason for it to overheat just because it's done some miles. That's just going to be down to revs and air flow at any given time.
Question is how well you can cope. 300miles in a day on a 125cc is doable, I'm sure. Some guys on here have done london to scotland in a day on honda MSX 125s for instance. But I doubt you'd want to do it, have a long day out at the theme park then hop on the bike for another 150miles home. That's a long day indeed, especially if motorway isn't an option.
Oh, and youre 40. Don't do A1, it's pointless. I would strongly advice doing a DAS course so you can ride anything. Once you've got it, if you want to stick with the scooter then fine, but better to have the option to ride whatever you want, and it won't cost that much more.
10 quid says you'll want a proper bike within the year anyway. |
Theres no way I can afford to replace the bike I have just bought so it will be 125 for a long time (10 years plus i reckon) my job is not exactly high pay though I do see your point. Will cross that bridge when i come to it, at the minute it just makes sense to do it on what I will be using.
The bike is bought new so with proper servicing I hope it would last me way more than 10 years!
@M.C (sorry couldnt figure out multi quoting on this forum) I am hoping that is an exaggeration? It has to be! I would like to think the grips last longer than that, not sure how distance would even effect them?
@Nobby the Bastard Good to know, just remembering in my youth (many decades ago lol) mate of mine giving me a left on the back of his bike....yeah highly illegal but back then we didnt know and the statue of limitations has to be up.... anyway every 5 miles or hill we had to stop to let the bike cool down....thats my only experience with the smaller engine bikes, figured there may be an ultimate range (though in the hundreds) looks like i am happily wrong! |
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Teflon-Mike wrote: | Some-one has ridden from Australia to Britain on a C90....
I guess they had to stop and fill up a few times..... so what do you mean by 'range'? How far you can go on a tank of petrol, rather depends on the size of the petrol tank; how far you can go before it starts to hurt rather depends on how hardy you are!
It's a piece of string question really....
PERSONALLY.. I wouldn't plan to ride a scooter very far at all..... automotive anathema's, with shopping trolley sized wheels and perverse weight distribution.... bit of a bumble be, and its astounding they even work, to be honest, but still.
A little empirical analysis in recent years made me question the merits of light-weights vs heavy-weights; I tended to start to 'suffer' and not want to cover much more than maybe 25 miles at a stretch on the 125, where I'd happily spend there, four, five hours at a stretch on the 750... and I had been reasonably convinced that big-bikes were all day comfort, little ones for short hop'fun' and popping to the shops... but then I had to use the 750 to pop to the shops.... and I realised it was the demands of short hop city traffic that made ANY bike more tiring to ride, not the size of its engine!
BUT... STOP STRESSING!
You have yet to do our CBT 'first lesson'.. and that is to validate your provisional so you ca practice ad learn to do tests... not ride around dodging them! You shouldn't rally be planning very day city commuting, or long haul touring, on L-Plates!!!!!!!
IF you have what it takes to tackle the daily grind every day, or tackle long haul excursions into unfamiliar parts, YOU CAN PASS TESTS!!!!!
Tests are hardly brain surgery! Theory/Haz is regurgitating the books, and playing a computer game. Mod 1, is the CBT cone exercises, with a little confidence and finesse, Mod 2 half an hour riding across town without falling off, crashing or killing any-one!
IF you ca do that every day, riding a 125 on L-Plates, you can have a licence, for £120, and ever have to do another CBT..... IF YOU CAN'T...... then, should you be considering every day commuting, or longer haul excursions?
You would probably be best off, using 125 on L's as intended to get your confidence up, get some practice in and do a little learning, in your own time, not on the way to work, in cut and thrust of most hazard strew traffic .. and taking tests for the full licence.
Don't sweat the small-stuff! Go get that first lesson and start learning sh!t! |
Well as I say my plan is at the minute the A1 in a year, not planning on staying on a CBT (not now i know exactly what it is)
The 125 I have got is the Xenter went for that as 1)it is in my budget, JUST and 2) larger wheels for traction, didnt know that also means more comfort. my bike knowledge beyond basic safty on one is near null hence the questions here |
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Most 125's have an anticipated service life of around 7 to 10 years, and about 25ooo-30ooo miles.
Aspiration that a brand new 125 will last you a decade s a little optimistic.
Chances it wont get nicked in the first year are not great. Chances it will not die from being crashed, thrashed or crashed, in your un-trained inexperenced care, not a lot better!
Suggestion you plan to do all that on CBT & L's.. what five of them! at what, £140 a pop,, that's £700, to pretend to be a learner, dodging tests, not taking them, you could spend on a DAS course and have the benefit of the learnng and the licence.. let alone doing A1 tests DIY for less than the price of your first repeat CBT!!!
Yo are leaping to a world of the unknown tryng to make long term plans, not even knowig just how little you know!
Go get that first lesson, and get at least a LITTLE learning, and worry about the rest as and when you have to... and getting the licence should be much higher up the list than a lot of the notions you are fretting over. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Sorry about Mike. If you convince yourself that he means well, it helps.
The secret with a 125 is to set realistic expectations. Figure an average of 40 miles in an hour, and you don't want to be riding every hour.
200 miles a day is about the limit of what I'd want to do on a 125, and you'll be glad to get off it at the end. But biking is a daft hobby, and lends itself to doing daft things: I did a 450 mile round trip just to pick up a jar of marmalade. It's all good. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I went to London and back for a shag on a 50cc once from by Birmingham ____________________ gilera runner vxr200 (chavped)
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Teflon-Mike wrote: | Most 125's have an anticipated service life of around 7 to 10 years, and about 25ooo-30ooo miles.
Aspiration that a brand new 125 will last you a decade s a little optimistic. |
Thats depressing, this is the most expensive single item i have ever bought.
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Chances it wont get nicked in the first year are not great. Chances it will not die from being crashed, thrashed or crashed, in your un-trained inexperenced care, not a lot better!
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The first part is a massive fear of mine, and the single reason that I have waited so long to do this. I am hoping two alarmed disc locks, a heavy duty chain and a cover will protect it from opportunists, am I wrong in that?
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Suggestion you plan to do all that on CBT & L's.. what five of them! at what, £140 a pop,, that's £700, to pretend to be a learner, dodging tests, not taking them, you could spend on a DAS course and have the benefit of the learnng and the licence.. let alone doing A1 tests DIY for less than the price of your first repeat CBT!!!
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I am sure I am mis reading this but you keep mentioning dodging tests, this is not my plan in anyway shape or form. When I do my A1 (or what ever I choose) it wont be DIY it will be via an authorised testing center with what ever training they say i need! Being safe on the road is a responsibility and not something that i will ever take lightly.
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Yo are leaping to a world of the unknown tryng to make long term plans, not even knowig just how little you know!
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I never go into anything half-arsed, I like to get as much info as I can. I like to plan what I need to do and how to do it. Right now I am taking my mind off the CBT by thinking of the next step (which is NOT dodging the tests). The next step would be a full license, to that mind I am thinking the logistics of staying on a 125 (which means A1).
I was pointed at the site as a place for newbies to ask questions that google does not provide or you need detail on, my apologies if i have that wrong |
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When I toured on my 350 bullet, which is marginally slower than a modern 125, it worked out averaging 150 miles a day was about enough over a protracted period.
I once did Ijmunden to Leipzeig on it in a oner. That was sore on the arse. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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When I do my A1 (or what ever I choose) it wont be DIY it will be via an authorised testing center...
The next step would be a full license, to that mind I am thinking the logistics of staying on a 125 (which means A1).
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Then the next step should definitely be full A. THe only advantage of doing an A1 in your position is that you could do it cheaply, DIY, on your own bike.
If you're going to do it with a school (which certainly isn't a bad idea), then the full A won't cost any more and gives you many more options. I say again, just because you have a full A does not mean you are obligated to have a big bike. It just means you have the option to ride what you like.
Besides, depending on what your scooter actually is, I expect there is minimal difference in purchase and running cost between it and a sensible 600cc anyway, so to expect to keep the 125 for 10 years, while not impossible is unlikely. I still stand by my 10 quid I reckon. Assuming you pass the cbt and ride regularly, you'll be looking at proper bikes within 12 months. ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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asta1 wrote: | TheDaveStream wrote: |
When I do my A1 (or what ever I choose) it wont be DIY it will be via an authorised testing center...
The next step would be a full license, to that mind I am thinking the logistics of staying on a 125 (which means A1).
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Then the next step should definitely be full A. THe only advantage of doing an A1 in your position is that you could do it cheaply, DIY, on your own bike.
If you're going to do it with a school (which certainly isn't a bad idea), then the full A won't cost any more and gives you many more options. I say again, just because you have a full A does not mean you are obligated to have a big bike. It just means you have the option to ride what you like.
Besides, depending on what your scooter actually is, I expect there is minimal difference in purchase and running cost between it and a sensible 600cc anyway, so to expect to keep the 125 for 10 years, while not impossible is unlikely. I still stand by my 10 quid I reckon. Assuming you pass the cbt and ride regularly, you'll be looking at proper bikes within 12 months. |
lol thats a bet I would happily take, this is a huge expense. so buying another is unlikely anytime in the next few years.
Will think on the Full A license though, The training center I am doing my CBT with do the a1 for £250 and the Das for £503, on one hand its double the price but on the other, as you say it gives me access to anybike should circumstances change. From what i understand I have a year to make up my mind then a year to earn A1 or Das (on the 2 year CBT) |
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Will think on the Full A license though, The training center I am doing my CBT with do the a1 for £250 and the Das for £503 |
Hmm, shouldn't think you'd need a full DAS course anyway if you've been riding the 125 a bit. Maybe budget for a day or two to practice mod 1 and tidy up your riding, plus tests. A 2 or 3 day course max, for either bike. Couple hundred quid should do you.
Buying a bike, especially a new one is a huge expense, but that's what it is. Worth considering that, for better or worse, you've bought a brand new scooter now, which might have some residual value in 2 years (unless it's chinese), so it would be entirely viable to sell the scooter after the DAS and buy an older 600 commuter for not much, if any more money. I'd personally have more confidence that a cared for 8 year old, 20,000mile SV650 or something would last 10 years than a brand new 125 scooter.
Running costs wouldn't be much different and serviceing is probably less, so on a cost perspectve it's an option.
Of course, this is all pretty academic as you haven't even sorted the CBT or ridden on the road yet, but something to think on... ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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TheDaveStream wrote: | I was pointed at the site as a place for newbies to ask questions that google does not provide or you need detail on, my apologies if i have that wrong |
It's fine, you're very welcome, and most of us have gone through the same stage of What Do?
Mike is just... Mike. If he told you what you don't know, then he wouldn't be able to berate you about how much you don't know.
No need to rush any decisions. Enjoy the CBT, enjoy the scooter, see how you feel with some miles under your drive-belt. Most of your questions will answer themselves. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 103 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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