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Posted: 18:04 - 29 Jan 2018 Post subject: Alien Moto (Alternative to leather suits) |
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After watching a few documentaries about animal produce etc, I wondered when someone said to a protester was he sure everything he was wearing was vegan / animal friendly?
I wondered if there were any alternatives to animal leather for bikers and came across this:-
https://www.alienmoto.se/Alien-Moto-Product.html
Anyone heard or have an experience with alternative leather products? There's a lot of claims on there about it being better and this and that.
*I'm not a vegan / vegetarian, it's about whether they are better than leather suits?
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Posted: 19:18 - 29 Jan 2018 Post subject: |
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"We use two different fabrics to line our jeans and products, one is a para-aramid fabric, (most of the time we use the brand Kelvar(R)) and the other is our associate Factories own fabric which has been perfected over years of research and development called Titanite(R)."
Basically they're kevlar jeans.
"If you want the highest possible abrasion resistance we recommend Beast one piece leathers"
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Posted: 20:40 - 29 Jan 2018 Post subject: |
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ThatDippyTwat wrote: | If there were better, all the textile jackets would be yelling from the rooftops about it. |
What a ridiculous statement.
All those companies looking to make mega profits would be screaming, "HEY GUYS, THERE'S MUCH BETTER MATERIALS OUT THERE BUT LEATHER IS CHEAP AS SHIT AND WE MAKE SOOOO MUCH MONEY FROM YOU IT'S UNREAL".
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, this is not about ethics to me but those documentaries got me wondering so I started looking.
Ignore that Road Skin for the moment, I'm more interested in the 1 piece suits as I need one in summer anyway.
Ste wrote: | "We use two different fabrics to line our jeans and products, one is a para-aramid fabric, (most of the time we use the brand Kelvar(R)) and the other is our associate Factories own fabric which has been perfected over years of research and development called Titanite(R)."
Basically they're kevlar jeans.
"If you want the highest possible abrasion resistance we recommend Beast one piece leathers"
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I removed the Road Skin site from the end of my post as it's confusing / irrelevant to the original question about if Alien Moto is better than leather.
If you look at that guys sales videos (Road Skin) he doesn't half waffle on some shite, so much so that it puts you off all most. |
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I think Leather probably is about the best we can do at the moment.
It isn't the best abrasion resistant material. But bike gear does much more than just provide abrasion resistance, and it's all about compromise.
For instance if we were going to shoot somebody down an endless tarmac strip, say from a canon mounted a few inches from the ground, we'd probably choose a suit made entirely of tungsten carbide or something similarly hard. You've got no impact to worry about, nor weight considerations, or movement restrictions, size limitations, ventilation, cost, blah blah blah...
At the other end of the scale, if you were looking to make a suit for protecting your million pound asset as they rode a motorcycle around a race track at upwards of 200mph, with the risk of falls of say 2 meters (high side) and whip lash injuries, while being flexible enough to ride a bike, well ventilated enough to keep cool, lightweight enough to be comfortable AND abrasive resistant enough for the expected slides...
You'd make something like motogp riders wear.
If something better was out there, they'd be using it in racing by now. They do modify them with things like titanium plates in abrasion zones, and airbags in collars, your best bet is to lay down a couple of grand on a top of the line race suit.
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Jayy wrote: | ThatDippyTwat wrote: | If there were better, all the textile jackets would be yelling from the rooftops about it. |
What a ridiculous statement. |
How? Why?
If there was a better material to make bike gear out of, every manufacturer would be all over it and screaming about how it's better than leather. Kevlar lining helps, I have plenty of Kevlar (or Aramid) lined gear, but overall, it's still not as good.
As for cheap - Bike leather isn't cheap, never has been and probably never will be, given the source and manufacturing methods. It's the best grade available from a hide, which is a fairly small percentage of the total hide, and not all hides have a worthwhile amount needed for bigger panels of decent, quality leather. Kangaroo leather is another step up from that, with much less hide available.That "Genuine leather" you see? Yeah, that's really cheap. That's also lower than the actual lowest grade of leather, it's a marketed leather derivative, and should not be confused with full or top grain, which is what bike gear is made from. Only "Bonded leather" is worse.
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Abrasion resistance isn't the be-all and end all. Friction is an important factor.
You tend to slide further in leather, kevelar tends to grip the road. It stops you more quickly but it also tends to roll/flip you.
So there's a pay off there. On a track I'd want leather every time, slide smoothly to a halt in the gravel trap rather than doing a 150mph ragdoll impression. On the road, not as convinced. There's more to hit. Stopping more rapidly probably has its merits.
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I'm a longtime fussy eater and truth be told would prefer if I didn't wear leather. I do wear it though as it gives me better protection than textiles.
I know this as I have slid across a road at over 40mph and wore a hole through the knee and elbow of my Rev-it textiles.
I do also wear kevlar jeans which like textiles being a looser fit could cause me similar problems but occasionally it is too warm for leather trousers.
I'm sure there will be products available that surpass leather but seeing as it's a byproduct from all you meat eating murdering tw@ts #LoveYaReally I can't see it being replaced for a long time if at all. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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