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MarJay
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 14 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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Because they disagree on the veracity of the test... Simple innit?

Yes, that's certainly what they say. Talk being cheap, and belief being freely given. Praying


The logic being that ones shoulders prevent 99% of impacts to the ear region and below due to the limitations of neck and upper body movements. Makes sense to me. If I landed on my side and my head whipped over to the floor, my crown would touch, not my ear.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 14 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lampost, litterbin, phonebox, bench, parked car, roadsign. Just a few of the things you can slide into side on when
sprawling around on your back decelerating from xxxmph minus the bike. But yeah, I still have and use my Spartan
and in all honestly, if it fails and my head is mushed, I'll not know much about it either way. You can have the 'best' lid
in the world and still be potato or brown bread after a crash. Too many variables to worry about all of that too much.
I'll settle for a decent lid in good repair and take my chances with the rest of it. You'd never get on the flippin thing if
you were really concerned that much by all the 'what ifs'?
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 14 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
logic

Old human proverb: logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 14 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Until the sharp tests came along, Arai were regarded as the best built, safest lids on the market. They disagree with the methodology of the sharp tests, and claim that an ear region impact is next to impossible due to the riders shoulders. The impact is more likely to be above the ear on the crown.


Arai have also said that if anyone is that bothered they can change the interior pads to some which will get 5 stars, personally I don't rate the sharp test
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 14 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

andys675 wrote:
Arai have also said that if anyone is that bothered they can change the interior pads to some which will get 5 stars

They certainly do seem to say a lot, don't they?
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 14 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
andys675 wrote:
Arai have also said that if anyone is that bothered they can change the interior pads to some which will get 5 stars

They certainly do seem to say a lot, don't they?


Arai claim to be one of the first helmet manufacturers to try to simulate a broad spectrum of accident scenarios in order to improve the product. I strongly suspect that they have more experience in testing and improving safety helmets than the Sharp team. I have no evidence for this, but evidence and commercial experience means a lot.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 14 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SHARP assessment is based on recommendations made by the COST (Cooperation in Scientific and Technical Research) 327 study – the most comprehensive study of motorcycle crashes ever conducted in Europe - and subsequent research carried out by the Transport Research Laboratory (under contract to the UK DfT
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 14 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

A range of tests are required for a helmet to obtain an approval to UN-ECE Regulation 22.05 including hot and cold temperature impact absorption tests, the strength and durability of retention systems, visor and field of vision tests etc. SHARP supplements these approval requirements by subjecting a helmet model to more demanding impact tests, taking on board the recommendations made by the COST 327 Study.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 14 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
The SHARP assessment is based on recommendations made by the COST (Cooperation in Scientific and Technical Research) 327 study – the most comprehensive study of motorcycle crashes ever conducted in Europe - and subsequent research carried out by the Transport Research Laboratory (under contract to the UK DfT

"The SHARP programme is based upon the findings of the European Research activity “COST 327” which reported in 2001 (the most comprehensive study of motorcycle crashes ever conducted in Europe)."

https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/sharp-testing/
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 15 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps they could get more up to date information on motorscooter deaths from a grown man?
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 15 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You fucking piece if shit.

There's no point until mankind has managed to put wipers on visors.
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PostPosted: 01:56 - 17 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
You fucking piece if shit.

There's no point until mankind has managed to put wipers on visors.


Is your predictive text fucked, you fucking piece of shit?

I hereby award the SHARP test 4/5. Could be made betterer with real life testing on paedists and rapers.
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PostPosted: 02:05 - 17 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You fucking piece of fucking shit.
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