Fox hunting

[pepperami]

[Howling Terror]

.....and who can say with certainty that shooting isn't as ineffective or as cruel as hunting with dogs or poisoning? A good clean kill or a slow death from a bad shot. I've not mentioned snares as they are just too cruel for inclusion.


First of all I ask why the need for killing of foxes, just how much stock do these small dogs take? I haven't got all the info but I'd be willing to wager that they take a lot less stock than the animals lost during transportation. Are people aware that chickens will not have food or water during transportation and abattoirs are not just down the road.

So ok, say I've got a 'fox problem' I set a humane trap and I visit that trap on a regular basis and when the fox is caught I shoot point blank.
That is a better death than the ones I listed.
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[pepperami]

If they’re not causing a problem don’t shoot them.
If someone is taking shots that they can’t Be absolutely 100% sure will kill first time, then they should have their gun taken away from them.
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[Howling Terror]

So is this a regular thing...something the nation of 70 million people should be afraid of.

So ok,let's remove every predator..every raptor. I think somebody trod on a snake last year and also nearly died.

Perspective and sense go a long way to keep a 14wk old baby safe.

Yes a really horrible thing, a truly upsetting experience, but by their own admission they were aware of lots of foxes in the area and they left the doors open.

And Daily Mail so minus 5 points.
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[ThatDippyTwat]

[Polarbear]

Foxes are not the problem. It's mans encroachment on their natural habitat which is the problem. I admire how foxes have become urbanised, survival instincts and all that. We have loads in MK incuding a family who live on a roundabout and are well known, fat and seemingly very happy with their lot.

My daughter, being horse mad, used to ride with a hunt just for the fun of riding. I didn't try to stop her (she was 13 when she started riding with them) even though I don't agree with it. There seemed to be two groups who rode with the hunt, the ones that went along for the riding and the ones who thought it was their right to chase little animals for fun because they were something special

She stopped riding with them when she actually saw a kill, which was ages. It wasn't a very successful hunt

I just think the 'control' reason is an excuse. We don't allow hare coursing and there is no call to reinstate that. Why? because it was a sport for working men in flat caps, not hooray henrys.
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[Howling Terror]

I understand that the fox will not just kill 1 animal when it has a chance to kill many and the reason there are many is because somebody has chosen to put all that food in 1 box...and if that 'box' is unsecured then like a dog burying a bone, a wolf hiding a part of carcass the fox will make hay whilst the sun shines, it will given the opportunity return and take carcasses away. Barns that have no place for hens to roost...well that's making it easier for the fox. Purposely not mentioning battery units as they are macabre places to keep an animal.

As for grouse nesting on the ground, that suggests to me that naturally they are a 'risk it for a biscuit' species more than most, and that ground dwelling predictors are not prevalent. I am no expert but suspect many of these nests would be better off above ground(Darwin you dude) or in places of isolation and I also suggest people stop breeding them so they can shoot them in large numbers, many of which will go to waste.

You worked in abattoirs, I paid different types of abattoirs many visits. I've seen the good (very little) and the bad.

I'd like to make the point that I have no beef (sorry can't pass by a bad pun) with meat/farming/animal control. We are at the very top and having the nowse to feed ourselves when times are tough and having the brain capacity to stay alive when predators that can either outnumber or out run us has allowed us a massive privilege.

I don't give a flying 1 that humane fox traps are not very effective, they have a use and they are better than a bad shot. Like how many farmers will pay for a marksman who has spent years honing their skills....err none of the farms I frequent and it's a part of my job to frequent these places. They go out and make their best attempt often with the wrong type of ballistic.

I kept chickens for nearly a decade and we never lost 1 to a fox and y'know what if we had, I'd be upset and angry but it's not like we would have starved.
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