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Posted: 12:56 - 22 Feb 2018 Post subject: Re: Norton Jubilee 250 |
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ART-ADS wrote: | get a frame made etc |
So, you're going to put a creaky, leaky ~16hp engine into a brand new motorcycle, MSVA register it as a new build with a 2018 plate, and deal with running it on unleaded fuel?
For once, I agree with Bodytard.
ART-ADS wrote: | any advice would be appreciated. |
Sell them to someone who won't butcher them, then use the money to buy something like a Mash 400 and ruin that.
Comes now the "I Thot this was a forum for Real Bikers, not wannabes".
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The 'little' Norton Learner-Bike..... with 16bhp?
It just ISN'T a place to start ANYTHING but a classic resto.. all of which are money pits.
You would get as much power from a Chinese Pit-Bike engine, or old Jap commuter like a Honda CB Two-Fifty twin, Suzuki GN250 single, just as easily, more reliably, just as cheaply, A-N-D be assured of ready spares!
Its oyrish-mans-directions... "Well I wudna be wantin to sturt frum 'ere, noiy!"
If I wanted to build a hipster brat-chop special 'for fun', and on the cheap, I would likely pick something like a cheap as chips ER5 commuter twin of the last 20 years.... whole, and in it's entirety; I could lock the back-suspension with solid struts to make it a hard tail, and keep the original VIN tag on the head-stock, to avoid answering awkward questions come the SVA test to try register the thing! It would be far more likely to 'work'; I'd have far less hassle tracking down obscure Witworth bolts!!!
Crickey! They sell an entire 'hard-tail' first-build chopper 'kit' to turn into a road-going motor-bike from a 'dead' XJ600!!!!!!!
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There you go, spotted at a show a couple of years back. ISTR either BSH or 100% did a photo-feature build on one, getting it to-road, excluding tax and test, for under £1000, including the cost of the Divvy donor bike, and the frame-kit!!!!
THAT is where the smart money would have to go, for cost and convenience.... NOT on an unloved 1960's learner bike engine, 'just' because the dead metal came free! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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In terms of special tools, there will be some but mostly it will be just getting your head round the multiplicity of oddball thread sizes (which you'll need spanners for). There will be Whitworths, Cycle threasd BSFs, BSPT and maybe the odd BA on the electrics. So don't just throw everything in a bucket when you take them off. Remember what came off where.
Most special tools can be home fabricated or worked around. Like you can pretty much cut a pushrod comb out of cardboard.
You may want to consider getting hardened valve seats fitted. Some advocate it, some advocate just keeping an eye on the tappets. Probably not much difference between pre-emptively doing it or fitting them after valve recession has happened.
It'll be a ball ache, will cost a massive amount of money and will run badly and piss oil all over the place. The first two are because it's nearly 60 years old, the second two because that's how it was designed.
I'm not saying don't do it, just be aware of how much of a PITA it will be.
You could also just buy a 350 Enfield bullet which will be just as shonkily built but has a multiplicity of available spares (including a bolt-on hardtail), customising parts and knowledge and can be made to be reliable. A much easier proposition and a "known qualtity" ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Teflon-Mike wrote: | The 'little' Norton Learner-Bike..... with 16bhp?
It just ISN'T a place to start ANYTHING but a classic resto.. all of which are money pits.
You would get as much power from a Chinese Pit-Bike engine, or old Jap commuter like a Honda CB Two-Fifty twin, Suzuki GN250 single, just as easily, more reliably, just as cheaply, A-N-D be assured of ready spares!
Its oyrish-mans-directions... "Well I wudna be wantin to sturt frum 'ere, noiy!"
If I wanted to build a hipster brat-chop special 'for fun', and on the cheap, I would likely pick something like a cheap as chips ER5 commuter twin of the last 20 years.... whole, and in it's entirety; I could lock the back-suspension with solid struts to make it a hard tail, and keep the original VIN tag on the head-stock, to avoid answering awkward questions come the SVA test to try register the thing! It would be far more likely to 'work'; I'd have far less hassle tracking down obscure Witworth bolts!!!
Crickey! They sell an entire 'hard-tail' first-build chopper 'kit' to turn into a road-going motor-bike from a 'dead' XJ600!!!!!!!
https://scontent.flhr3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1234722_649811568377097_1213390986_n.jpg?oh=00030c6360de08b722ec089a3bef564c&oe=5B14AC85
There you go, spotted at a show a couple of years back. ISTR either BSH or 100% did a photo-feature build on one, getting it to-road, excluding tax and test, for under £1000, including the cost of the Divvy donor bike, and the frame-kit!!!!
THAT is where the smart money would have to go, for cost and convenience.... NOT on an unloved 1960's learner bike engine, 'just' because the dead metal came free! |
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haha, what a joyful read of the replies. couple of points
- I have little experience building chops, I'm in the middle of a project currently but also expect to do a second project before tackling the Norton
- on the leaky 16bhp engine.... yes it is, but I'm a firm believer that motorcycles are meant to be ridden rather than kept as a garage queen, so id rather I build the leaky 16bhp Norton into something id want to ride rather that someone restoring it (keep in mind its still going to be a leaky 16bhp bike) and kept in a garage for another 30 years until it becomes a barn find for someone else to restore.
and to all those sayin don't ruin a classic, being honest the stock form it looks clunky and dull yet the motor I find very unique in its design which is why it'd make a good bob,
old 250s aren't uncommon for chops either... ____________________ 98' RZ50, 92' H100S2, 03' VT125, 59' Jubilee 250, 05' varadero chop, |
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The last post was made 6 years, 91 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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