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doesn't provide 10% consistantly though does it? so what do we do in case the wind speed drops and output varies? we need to run other power stations in less efficient modes ready to take up the slack, possibly negating the savings from wind all together.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9559656/Germanys-wind-power-chaos-should-be-a-warning-to-the-UK.html
100% reliance on power generation which is at the whim of an unpredictable environment is a pipe dream without huge overgeneration when it's possible and vast storage capacity. ____________________ 2001 Aprilia RSV Mille R -dead, 2016 XSR 700-gone, 2018 Dorsoduro 900 |
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Lord Percy wrote: | Aside from the huge scope and variety of research councils and their associated grant availability... |
Can you name three grants available to climate rationalists?
Lord Percy wrote: | Do you know what peer review is? |
Honoured more in the breach than the observance these days.
Lord Percy wrote: | I notice all calling out seems to be done by armchair... opinionists... |
I have a standing desk, so your premise, like the constantly "corrected" historical temperature measurements, is flawed.
Lord Percy wrote: | I don't understand what point you're trying to make about Judith Curry either. |
That she's had a lot of peer reviewed papers published. I understand that some... academics... put their blind faith in those.
You know what an exemplar is, right? No, not a money lending knight, it's a representative of a group. Here, since you like lists and think that science should be done by a show of hands:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: |
I have a standing desk |
You're lower down the pecking order than I imagined. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Rogerborg wrote: |
Comfort is for the masses. Only us alphas can demand discomfort. |
Yes, I can see you getting on well with Bodytard ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Monkeywrencher wrote: | Falco wrote: |
Who is saying this? |
The entire industry of Climate Change research and solutions, the US alone spent 106.7 billion between 2003 and 2010 on research and technology tro address the problems that research put forth, and for what gain? a graph that still shows temperatures rising and some dire predictions of the effects of this which gently drift a decade or two into the future every time the Ice sheets grows back again.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/08/23/the-alarming-cost-of-climate-change-hysteria/#d311dd57ebbe
You can demand individual names, but the Data shows it's become an industry, as evidenced by all the useless wind turbines thrown up on government grants for no real benefit. And it sustains itself on doom mongering, Scientists like steady well funded employment too you know. |
What is your point? Yes it costs money to do science and develop new technology, who could have predicted. The predictions change in line with better understanding of the data, this tends to be portrayed as "endlessly changing predictions that never happen" but, if actually looked at, its nothing of the sort.
I don't want names (necessarily) but something a bit more substantial than "an industry" would be nice. Roger tries to oblige, but for some reason places Elon Musk amongst them
Rogerborg wrote: | Can you name three grants available to climate rationalists? |
Can you define the term "climate rationalist" without an Orwellian style redefinition of everyday language?
Rogerborg wrote: | Honoured more in the breach than the observance these days. |
Is it? I have no direct contact with environmental science, but peer review seems fine elsewhere (more or less...there are ongoing issues with it but they aren't really salient) so I see no reason to believe this wild claim unless you can actually proffer some proof for it.
As pointed out, that list pales into insignificance compared to those who do believe it. Scientists aren't magical beings, look at Linus Pauling and his beliefs about cancer and vitamin C.
As a side note, you appear to still be claiming the "corrected" figures as some sort of conspiracy, despite having it pointed out to you that they uncorrected figures are not only available, but in fact are listed in the paper which makes the corrections.
Unfounded claims abound, but not so much from the "mainstream" science. ____________________ I tell you what, mathematically, I'm having it |
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Falco wrote: | Roger tries to oblige, but for some reason places Elon Musk amongst them |
Climate change is the biggest threat that humanity faces this century, except for AI. I keep telling people this. I hate to be Cassandra here, but it’s all fun and games until somebody here loses a fucking eye. This view of [climate change] is shared by almost everyone who’s not crazy in the scientific community.
Falco wrote: | Can you define the term "climate rationalist" without an Orwellian style redefinition of everyday language? |
That would be crazy.
But yes: Judith Curry, examplar of.
Falco wrote: | As pointed out, that list pales into insignificance compared to those who do believe it. |
Yes, and only crazy outliers believe that the earth orbits the sun.
All... scientists... are of course fungible objective. Even the ones scrabbling over the shrinking pot of money that has been rewarding those who have shrieked the loudest.
By the way, if you read posts passim, you'll find that I do believe that the earth is enjoying a brief warming phase before the next glaciation wipes out most of us.
The issue is whether we should be treating that slight warming as a doom from which only tithing to the tech-priests can preserve us; or welcoming it as an opportunity to open up huge great tracts of land and put desparately needed carbon back into the biosphere. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Damn those increasingly high energy Rossby waves getting larger and dragging more polar air toward the subtropics. |
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Heh, a fine thrusting trollpiece by Dellingpole, pointing out that this Arctic-warming-global-freezing apocalypse happened in 1976 - you remember, the last time the world ended.
Better yet, in the 1970s, climate scienticians declared that the exact same conditions were an indicator of global cooling and a new ice age. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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So, about those "idle wind farms".
https://i.imgur.com/cuNtcqu.png
Thank Allan for his gift of fission, and his fossil (so called) fuels, eh? Burning mass deforestation Murcan wood is producing more than solar and wind combined. And note that these pathetic numbers are at 8am on a Sunday morning when demand is at a low.
This has been going on for long about a week now.
We must go nuclear, or frack, or die. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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It's OK, you just gotta have faith. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: | So, about those "idle wind farms".
https://i.imgur.com/cuNtcqu.png
Thank Allan for his gift of fission, and his fossil (so called) fuels, eh? Burning mass deforestation Murcan wood is producing more than solar and wind combined. And note that these pathetic numbers are at 8am on a Sunday morning when demand is at a low.
This has been going on for long about a week now.
We must go nuclear, or frack, or die. |
Nuclear is almost in the red, she cannae take it captain. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 323 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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