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Graduate, 29, sues university for £60,000 over her 'Mickey Mouse' degree in international business strategy
Pok Wong, 29, is suing Anglia Ruskin University for £60,000 over her degree
Despite getting a first she has launched campaign against teaching quality
Claims prospectus made fraudulently misleading claims about job prospects
A graduate is suing her university for £60,000 over her 'Mickey Mouse' degree in international business strategy.
Pok Wong, 29, claims that Anglia Ruskin University made fraudulently misleading claims in its prospectus about high-quality teaching and career prospects.
She is seeking damages for a breach of contract and fraudulent misrepresentation, according to the Telegraph.
Ms Wong also claimed on Facebook that she was 'forcibly removed' from the stage during her graduation day for protesting about the quality of her course.
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Ms Wong said in documents lodged before London County Court: 'Since graduating ... it has been proven that the degree … does not play a role to help secure a rewarding job with prospects'.
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She claims that the prospectus fraudulently claimed the business school was a 'renowned centre of excellence' and students would be 'well equipped' for jobs - despite it ranking poorly in four university guides between 2010-11.
Lawyers for the university have said the prospectus did not form a 'real' contract with students and so tuition fees should not be refunded.
They also added that Ms Wong may have struggled to get work because she spent 'time and energy' on a campaign discrediting the university.
A spokesperson for the university said: 'Her complaints have been through the full Office of the Independent Adjudicator [the body that deals with student complaints] process.
'She then made a complaint to the Information Commissioner's Office, which was rejected after a thorough investigation. Subsequently she has launched legal action against us and has been required to pay our costs at an earlier hearing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5487089/Anglia-Ruskin-graduate-sues-university-Mickey-Mouse-degree.html
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I wonder what job(s) she thought that degree would get her.
That uni doesn't currently offer a degree in international business strategy, the closest I can find is this one for International Business Management,
They're very vague about what career prospects the degree offers. |
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I think a lot of people miss the point about “art” degrees. It isn’t about learning about a particular subject and merely remembering the contents of a lecture. In fact, for example - during my History degree - lectures (of which there were about 6 hours a week) probably formed about 5% of the actual education. It is the critical thinking and reading around the subject where the real learning starts. Done right, this does form skills that are valuable within the workplace.
You don’t pay tuition fees just to pay for a clever teacher. You are paying for world class access to the best literature and readings on a subject. The books I had access to at my university cost hundreds of pounds alone to purchase, yet here I had access for “free”.
I was on the old tuition fee scheme and at £3,000/year I think in hindsight it represented reasonable value. My total “debt” at leaving was £22k. But it’s not a debt, it’s a graduate tax. As it stands I’ll have paid mine off through my wages in about 4 years time, by which time I’ll be 33 years old. It’ll be nice seeing that £280/month on my payslip going into my back pocket and not to student loans repayment, I must admit. ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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JonB wrote: | It is the critical thinking and reading around the subject where the real learning starts. Done right, this does form skills that are valuable within the workplace.
You don’t pay tuition fees just to pay for a clever teacher. You are paying for world class access to the best literature and readings on a subject. The books I had access to at my university cost hundreds of pounds alone to purchase, yet here I had access for “free”. |
I do agree with this a bit, I just question whether any of the things you've spent 3 years reading and learning about have any practical value whatsoever.
That said, I do think that with the possible exception of directly 'applied' courses such as Medicine, Architecture, Law, most people learn virtually nothing useful at uni anyway, arts, science, tech, doesn't matter.
Even in Medicine they say that by the time you've qualified, 30% of what you learnt in the lecture is out of date.
Plus, think of all the stuff you crammed for during exams over your degree. How much of it do you remember well enough to apply usefully today? 10%? Less? For example, I did some essay based exams in January this year which I got first class marks in. I went to a feedback session last week and I couldn't even remember which questions I'd answered, let alone what I'd written.
As far as I can tell, the value of Uni for most people comes purely as a tick box exercise. You have a degree. Check. It's from a good institution. Check. You did well in it. Check. It's a subject vaguely related to the job or one that's seen as 'challenging'. Check.
All that's required to just get through the initial CV screen, at which point you've demonstrated your capability to learn, to think, to problem solve, to write and, in some cases to do some basic maths or science. Only then can you really demonstrate that you're competent and a decent fit for the role.
The mistake some people make is to assume that any degree at any Uni gives you an equal chance of getting through that sift. Surprise, surprise, that's not the case. Many aren't worth the paper they're written on, and with the exception of the really terrible ones, they all cost the same. ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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https://www.russellgroup.ac.uk/about/
Go to one of those if you want high-quality teaching and career prospects from a 'renowned centre of excellence' and to be 'well equipped' for jobs
Not all degrees are equal. |
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I was actually thinking back to my first year when ( I believe) the University of Salford and Worcester were charging roughly half the going rate. That said, looks like they now charge the maximum possible as well. I'm sure it's still great 'value for money' though... ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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And of course there are some jobs where you can't even get a foot in the door without the degree. Practising as a solicitor or barrister is one, though there was rumblings, years ago, about an apprenticeship style route. Don't think that materialised though? ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 44 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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