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I see Captain Wifebeater is yapping at the heels to prove what a tit it is again again..
https://www.nato.int/cps/ua/natohq/topics_49217.htm
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Institutionalised relations between NATO and the EU were launched in 2001, building on steps taken during the 1990s to promote greater European responsibility in defence matters (NATO-Western European Union cooperation 1).
The 2002 NATO-EU Declaration on a European Security and Defence Policy (ESDP) set out the political principles underlying the relationship and reaffirmed EU assured access to NATO’s planning capabilities for the EU’s own military operations.
In 2003, the so-called “Berlin Plus” arrangements set the basis for the Alliance to support EU-led operations in which NATO as a whole is not engaged.
At the 2010 Lisbon Summit, the Allies underlined their determination to improve the NATO-EU strategic partnership and the 2010 Strategic Concept committed the Alliance to working more closely with other international organisations to prevent crises, manage conflicts and stabilise post-conflict situations.
In Warsaw in July 2016, the two organisations outlined areas for strengthened cooperation in light of common challenges to the east and south, including countering hybrid threats, enhancing resilience, defence capacity building, cyber defence, maritime security, and exercises. Over 40 measures to advance NATO-EU cooperation in agreed areas were approved by NATO foreign ministers in December 2016 and further areas of joint work were agreed in December 2017.
Close cooperation between NATO and the EU is an important element in the development of an international “comprehensive approach” to crisis management and operations, which requires the effective application of both military and civilian means.
NATO and the EU currently have 22 member countries in common. |
So all but 4 of the 29 NATO member countries are European and 22 of them are in the EU, but hey, there's no link what so ever... ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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I see Noncy McNonceFace Donkersley can't grasp the concept that being in the EU and being in NATO aren't intertwined, and you can indeed have one without the other.
Dozy cunt should stick to falsifying his tax returns. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Sorry, can you speak English, I don't grasp fuckwit all that well?
I also think you don't understand Mental Capacity as well as you think you do, which coincidentally most folk with mental issues have the same delusion. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Feck me, around a 100 Russian diplomats expelled in collective action! Surely, there must be more evidence of Russian state involvement in the Skripal attack than is in the public eye? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: | Feck me, around a 100 Russian diplomats expelled in collective action! Surely, there must be more evidence of Russian state involvement in the Skripal attack than is in the public eye? |
It’s hellishly convenient for the EU, ISIS and the US isn’t it?
In fact the only one who may not benefit from this is the U.K. as it prepares to go it alone in a big, bad, nasty world full of murdering Russians.
It’s lucky we’re probably, so possibly, almost certain that some Russians did it. Honest guv, they are used to making such public balls ups like this when they try to assassinate people. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 probably watches the horses head scene in The Godfather and thinks, "Who on earth put that there?"
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It's such obvious bollocks, sorry but it just is. As if a Russian agent would be that bad at committing assassination . Ask yourself this: If you were tasked with killing a British person in another country on behalf of your government, how would you do it?
Note how bad things never seem to happen at the same time. Soon as ISIS stopped being the number one threat, Russia step up and have their turn? It doesn't work like that... unless it's a manufactured narrative handily megaphoned by a lazy mainstream media with vested interests.
Also note that this will nicely turn the public against 'communist' left wing politics, which the guilded establishment greatly fears at the moment.
Whatever may or may not have happened, the current hysteria is almost entirely being spun for giant political gain. |
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<Sigh!>
Like the horses head, it's an obvious message but still deniable. It says we were here, we'll do what we want, don't cross us.
It suits the Russian leaders to paint 'The West' as the cause of all their ills, particularly at election time. Now a few of their embassy workers will be sent away (replaced) and there will be faux-indignation about that.
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | <Sigh!>
Like the horses head, it's an obvious message but still deniable. It says we were here, we'll do what we want, don't cross us.
It suits the Russian leaders to paint 'The West' as the cause of all their ills, particularly at election time. Now a few of their embassy workers will be sent away (replaced) and there will be faux-indignation about that.
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It also suits the EU to paint the Russians as a common enemy, as one of it's biggest funders pisses about pretending to leave the approaching Federal State, with ambitions for it's own army.
It also suits ISIS to make Russia an enemy of NATO and the UN, at a time where Russia is kicking ISIS arse in Syria and the war is finally getting towards an end result.
It also suits the US, at a time where it's leader is constantly accused of getting too close to Russia.
It doesn't suit Russia to make such a public cock up of an attempted assassination, just before they host the World Cup, which is a once in a generation worldwide advert for your country.
It doesn't add up. The reaction to the alleged attack doesn't seem anywhere near proportionate. I don't remember the same fuss when others were supposedly executed by Russian state.
Only this country could start the bandwagon by returning diplomats, accusing them of state terrorism, yet allow returning ISIS fighters to wander around freely on their return. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Lord Percy wrote: | It's such obvious bollocks, sorry but it just is. As if a Russian agent would be that bad at committing assassination |
All I'll say is, the Russian/Soviet security services do have a track record for bungling things, as do others. So that on its own isn't a particularly persuasive argument.
No, I'll say something else
All of the people saying it isn't the Russian state are advancing proposals that have as little proof as those saying it is. Neither seems terribly smart in my view.
I'd say, on balance of probability, it's likely to be Russia. But a) that's not proof, and b) I think the UK government reacted badly. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Lord Percy wrote: | If you were tasked with killing a British person in another country on behalf of your government, how would you do it? |
Depends on whether I had a message to send with it, what that message was, and to whom I wanted it sent. Also, on how vulnerable I might be to possible consequences.
Unfortunately for Putin, his own rhetoric about traitors has not helped him if he turns out not to be responsible for Skripal. So if he's not, then he hasn't been very smart with that.
Quote: | Note how bad things never seem to happen at the same time. Soon as ISIS stopped being the number one threat, Russia step up and have their turn? It doesn't work like that.. |
But sometimes, it does work like that, especially if you don't want something to be lost among other news.
Quote: | Whatever may or may not have happened, the current hysteria is almost entirely being spun for giant political gain. |
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There is one other thing that bugs me about Putin. If he were so keen to just get on with things in a benign manner, why would he start boasting about his new, supposedly undefeatable missiles, capable of carrying nuclear warheads, and then broadcast openly a simulation of them apparently raining down on Florida? Just before elections and the World Cup? What kind of message did he think the west would take from that? And did NATO/the EU provoke him to invade Ukraine? What did we do to make such action justifiable? And is ramping up rhetoric on nuclear weapons a cool and considered response to NATO taking a clearly defensive posture in the Baltic states? Who is pushing who here?
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chickenstrip wrote: | There is one other thing that bugs me about Putin. If he were so keen to just get on with things in a benign manner, why would he start boasting about his new, supposedly undefeatable missiles, capable of carrying nuclear warheads, and then broadcast openly a simulation of them apparently raining down on Florida? Just before elections and the World Cup? What kind of message did he think the west would take from that? |
Not that any result was in doubt, but...
He was in the run up to an election, so wanted to make Russia look as strong as possible to gain support. He wants the backing of the people, and as always, one way of doing that is military might, and how he can stand up to those in the West. ____________________ Rogerborg wrote: It'd certainly make it easier to ego-find my own posts on pages, given the number of fags (gay like traps) who insist on putting my name in their .sig |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 3 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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