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PostPosted: 08:07 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FYI that makes all stand up comedians here in the UK literally unemployed Laughing

Also, Nazis.

But FFS, when I agree with Val you know there's something rotten in the state of Westminster.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK passports to be made in France after #Brexit because current EU diktats required the contract to go to the lowest Eurobidder. Clapping

Will Sir Nigel be burning his?
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm suspicious of how the franco/dutch firm were able to undercut the UK bid by 50m?? Do I think the EU is topping them up
(partially with OUR money) to ENSURE the contract goes to an EU firm? I couldn't possibly comment.

I do fail to see why we are abiding by their rules (which seem to blatantly favour them) at all? As we slowly, painfully,
clumsily, repeatedly roll over in the general direction of the exit (Or is that just the broom cupboard?)managing to secure
completely NOTHING for the UK, just all the exact same shit and absolutely none of the glitter??
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anyone in this country that thinks this government is worthy of our trust?
Would you give any of them a job?
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there anyone in this country that thinks this government is worthy of our trust?

No government ever is.
Leave the EU now, let business sort itself out (because that's what will happen anyway) and let the EU work out how it is going to go forward with a significantly reduced budget. I haven't heard anything about their plans for that.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do fail to see why we are abiding by their rules

Because we're better than them. Certainly better than the biggest diktat flouter, Germoney.

That's why we need to go our separate ways.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the Poland question though, my opinion is that someone in our military should have a word in the ear of someone in the Polish military and suggest they pass on to Donald Tusk that when the Ruskies pitch up then we may not turn up or just be "strategically late".


Blimey all i meant was have a quiet word in s few Euro Gnomes ears. Not let loose some old Russian nerve agent souvenir of the cold war and then get all passive aggressive at the Brexit negotiations and start "reassuring" our European "allies (maybe)" we're "committed (maybe)" to the security of Western Europe in the face of the threat from the Commie War God up the road. Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK passports couldn't be made in house... because the UK government doesn't have a facility or a wholly owned company to produce them. Unlike the French government which has a wholly owned state firm that can produce them... therefore they didn't need to put them out to tender. Therefore they must be put out to tender to a private company as there was no other choice.

The question is of course did De La Rue put in too high of a bid and therefore wasn't chosen? Remembering of course it was a sealed bid.


Quite ironically it actually shows the true colours of people AND at the same time exposes some of the contradictions of the positions people hold.

Quite simply it asks the question.


Are we aiming for protectionism or globalisation?


In that oh no the EU is protectionist!!! We must leave!! Oh no we must protect UK industries...

So which one is it? Protectionist or globalist it is impossible to sit in both positions.


Open up and get strip mined of all UK industry or don't open up and go protectionist...
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Royal mint makes banknotes, can't see how passports are all that different tbh.
Made of paper/plastic. Check.
Printed. Check.
Security features. Check.
Not that dissimilar to what they are already making, they would only be making blank passports after all.
The personal info is added to blank documents they already have in stock post application.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who gives a shit about passports?
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
the Commie War God up the road. Shocked


We din do nuffin right? Don't schools teach history any more?

July 26, 1941 the US put in place an oil embargo on Japan. This had many negative effects on their economy. This was one of the primary events leading up to Pearl Harbor. Funny enough Tatters way back in 2009 once said if Russia ever cuts off the gas it would be an act of war.

In a nutshell yep it's your fault again and yeah you collectively elected the governments who did this.

If you haven't noticed the EU and US have been imposing harsh sanctions on Russia. This has collapsed their GDP by 46%. Which is pretty much an act of war. Now you might say but they invaded the Ukraine. Yep they did but yet again this was a response to their geography problem.

Wendover talks about it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3C_5bsdQWg

Cut off their ONLY warm water port? And you're essentially causing an embargo again which goes back to events similar to the run up to Pearl Harbor. It would be like Argentina parking battleships outside Felixstowe and preventing container ships moving in you'd be totally OK with that right?

But we din do nuffin right? The western world did absolutely NOTHING to Russia right...

Err yeah about that...

In 1996 the US and Europe pretty much bought Yeltsin the election. Through the massive Russian economic crisis the western powers were not compassionate there was considerable exploitation through the IMF and a loan with terms that make Wonga look cheap. To add insult to injury Russia was flooded with flim flam artistes and shysters who made lots of money from the suffering of the Russian people.

This gave rise to Putin's Russia one built on on a foundation of bitterness, hate, and envy. Had a more compassionate choice be taken (say post WW2 Germany/Japan) then Putin's Russia might not exist.


They with their 46% GDP loss are retaliating however they can. Much like Palestinians throw rocks at tanks. It might not do a whole lot but it is better than nothing.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Royal mint makes banknotes, .


De La Rue (a public limited company)make UK bank notes.

The Royal Mint as the name suggests mint coins.

The UK government has no facilities of its own to make its own bank notes.

Funny enough De La Rue shifted some production to Malta themselves.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2010-12-02/debates/10120245000002/UKPassportContract
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
In a nutshell yep it's your fault again and yeah you collectively elected the governments who did this.

Again I don't vote Rolling Eyes

Itchy wrote:
If you haven't noticed the EU and US have been imposing harsh sanctions on Russia. This has collapsed their GDP by 46%. Which is pretty much an act of war. Now you might say but they invaded the Ukraine and shot down a passenger aircraft in the process. Yep they did but yet again this was a response to their geography problem.

Wendover talks about it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3C_5bsdQWg

Cut off their ONLY warm water port? And you're essentially causing an embargo again which goes back to events similar to the run up to Pearl Harbor. It would be like Argentina parking battleships outside Felixstowe and preventing container ships moving in you'd be totally OK with that right?

FTFY. Didn't Ukraine gain independence in 1991? Eh?

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Russia was flooded with flim flam artistes and shysters who made lots of money from the suffering of the Russian people.

You mean like Abramovich?
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Unlike the French government which has a wholly owned state firm that can produce them... therefore they didn't need to put them out to tender.

My understanding is that Le Frogs simply declared that they were a national security issue, and zo zey would do whazzever ze liked, oui, oui.

We could do exactly the same, if we wanted. We lack the will, not the means.

What are the EU going to do, kick us out? Tack another few billion on the Secret Random Number in the divorce bill?
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
UK passports to be made in France after #Brexit because current EU diktats required the contract to go to the lowest Eurobidder. Clapping

Will Sir Nigel be burning his?


Oh the irony when the UK doesn't get a trade deal on tariffs for importing passports, than all UK passports will be left somewhere in a desolate dark wet warehouse in France, and nobody will be able to go and get them because they haven’t got a passport, imagine that Laughing

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PostPosted: 22:58 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
the Commie War God up the road. Shocked


We din do nuffin right? Don't schools teach history any more?

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Im not sure what you're point is in regards to my post. I fully aware of the wests screwed up and hypocritical policy towards Russia.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 23 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now our Eastern European pals are waking up to the fact the UK more valuable to them than Brussels Euro-fanatics butthurts.

Well played Theresa.

A couple of dead(ish) Russians and a copper on early retirement or a mega sicknote is a small price to pay.

Now lets move on and look at how we can get the north American colonies back. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 23 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
We could do exactly the same, if we wanted.


Uh the UK can't. The UK government does not have the in house capacity to produce them. Therefore they can't even if they wanted to without building facilities to do so or buying up De La Rue. No amount of wishful thinking will produce factories that can make them.

Rogerborg wrote:
We lack the will, not the means.


As above the UK lacks BOTH the will AND the means. France does not have to put contacts out to tender because their government has the ability to produce them pretty much in-house.

Public procurement laws can't force a government or public organisation to put a thing out to tender if the thing can be done in-house.

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What are the EU going to do, kick us out?


The EU might not do something. But the WTO will. A lot of those shouting but the UK can flourish under WTO rules... uh yeah about that WTO rules about public procurement are quite similar to those of the EU.

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/gproc_e/gp_gpa_e.htm



So sure... the UK could cancel the contract and break EU rules. AND they would also break WTO rules too so unless you're going to double down and say leave the WTO too and go all Juche there isn't a way they can get out of this lest they build a plant or buy up De La Rue.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 23 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened with the Bombardier trains contract? IIRC that was awarded to Siemens, then people asked WTF were you not supporting British jobs.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 23 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
[The UK caaaaaan't....]

Of course we can. We can give the contract to whomever we want. We shouldn't. They're not at all the same thing, as Germoney - and France - keep demonstrating.

Itchy wrote:
[The WTO wiiiiiil...]

Will they?

Will they?
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 23 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Of course we can. We can give the contract to whomever we want.



And the government chose the lowest (sealed) bid. Therefore saving the people money. Therefore it was the most beneficial. Or are you saying people should pay MORE for stuff?


Rogerborg wrote:
Will they?


Maybe they will maybe they won't. It is however a preview to what will happen in the future. That trade agreements may well include GPA access and as just seen the UK providers may not be the cheapest bidder and or the UK may well not even have the capability to build/produce whatever is needed.


Which YET again goes back tot he Schroedinger's contradictory BREXIT argument.


Trade deals will be awesome the EU is a protectionist state!!!!
We can get stuff cheaper if we get stuff from elsewhere.


Yet here we are. We can get cheaper stuff from overseas, yet you're calling for protectionism.


Which one is it? Protectionism or free trade? You can't have both.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 23 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And the government chose the lowest (sealed) bid. Therefore saving the people money.

Only if you don't factor in the cost of lost taxation, money leaving the economy, and the benefits paid to people who've lost their jobs.

Then it's a steal!


Itchy wrote:
trade agreements may well include GPA access

And may well not.


Itchy wrote:
Yet here we are. We can get cheaper stuff from overseas, yet you're calling for protectionism.

Cheaper if you look at the headline figures, not the cost to the economy.

And not when it comes to matters of national security.

Which it really does, in this case. We still have income tax, therefore we must be at war with France.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 23 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jezza sacks Owen Smith because he asked for a second referendum. Dance!
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 23 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes, the lowest bidder gets the contract. What could possibly go wrong?
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