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Yes, I would recommend it - presuming of course you want to learn to give yourself a good chance to avoid having an accident on the road.
Just TVAM and reading road craft myself - nothing over that.
You'll have seen from the dates - it's a while since I've done that sort of stuff - very rare I ride on the roads these days. Occasional trackdays for the moment.
Oh and any ride I went on they absolutely would slow for blind crests and so on - though whether they'd slow enough for t'borg is another matter! |
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Freddyfruitbat wrote: | But as I said, riding 'consistently' (if you mean 'identically every time' is absolutely not what Roadcraft is about. |
Identically given the same conditions.
Being observed is not a condition that should change the way that you ride.
Freddyfruitbat wrote: | [Powering over hill crests] kust makes no sense, obviously. No way would Roadcraft advocate doing that unless they knew 100% that the road was clear. Intriguing to say the least |
Exactly why I found it notable. I was riding that road for the first time, and stuck scrupulously to the cardinal rule of being able to stop safely on my own side of the road in the space that I could see to be clear.
The IAM riders were riding based on what they 'knew' was on the other side. We're not talking catching air with a blind junction just over the crest, but the would not have been able to stop if there had been a basket of kittens on the road. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Redd World Chat Champion
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I went to the Glasgow IAM group back in 07/08. Probably improved my riding safety a fair bit, but packed it in after a few months because of the inconsistency of the advice.
For example, 1 week I was out with an older chap on a KTM. We blasted round the twisties for hours and had a great time while sticking to speed limits. He was totally happy with my riding from an assessor point of view.
The next week I had a guy on a chrometastic cruiser with fetching tassles on his leather saddle bags. Practically the same route as previous week so rode at a similar pace as the previous week. Had to stop a few times to wait as he was slow as hell...and when he decided to give me feedback it was about how I was going too fast, dangerous, etc.
Got the previous weeks assessor and him together to try an figure out why I was hearing very different things from a very similar ride. Turns out the 2nd assessor was a long standing member of the group. He told me off for questioning his assessment, I told him to stick his assessment up his arse and left...there may have been a bit of wheelspin on the loose gravel
Didn't go back. The course teaches useful stuff, definitely a net positive for my riding. People can be difficult. ____________________ Professional Uberslacker
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bamt World Chat Champion
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Rogerborg wrote: | Freddyfruitbat wrote: | But as I said, riding 'consistently' (if you mean 'identically every time' is absolutely not what Roadcraft is about. |
Identically given the same conditions.
Being observed is not a condition that should change the way that you ride.
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It depends upon what you want the observer to observe.
If you want them to observe and comment on your bimbling riding style, then you ride in a bimbling fashion.
If you want them to observe and comment on your "making progress" riding style, then you ride faster and take the overtakes when you can do so safely.
For most people, there is more to be learned from the "making progress" bit than the bimbling, because much more is going on and you need to make proper use of the bike's manoeuvrability and power to do it safely.
That absolutely does NOT mean that "making progress" is the only way that is acceptable to the IAM, just that it's what makes the most out of the limited time available on observed rides.
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The IAM riders were riding based on what they 'knew' was on the other side. We're not talking catching air with a blind junction just over the crest, but the would not have been able to stop if there had been a basket of kittens on the road. |
I wouldn't disagree that some IAM people ride like knobs because they have a piece of paper that says they are a god
The most important thing is the assistance in developing a self-critical view of your riding, and challenging what you believe is good practice. Whether you choose to agree with any particular point is almost immaterial - it's going through that process of saying "I was in that position, speed and gear because X", then the observer saying "But had you seen/considered Y". You may or may not agree with Y, but it's another data point to feed into your riding rather than just assuming that you know everything and are infallible. The observers are definitely not perfect, I'm not claiming they are (and very strongly disagreed with the views of some of them).
Personally I'm no longer a member of the local group, because the enthusiastic group rides aren't really my cup of tea and I had trouble making time for them anyway, but I do believe that I got good value from my time spent with the group. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 34 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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