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Polarbear wrote: | How can they ever be future valued. |
Guesstimation.
BMW's headline figure reckons 47% after 3 years for the electroscootay, but that's highly deceptive.
That's what they'll charge you if you want to keep it. But in reality, on that 10% APR mug's deal, you'll already have paid them 72% of the new price by then.
So in reality, they're only happy to gamble on it being worth 28% of the new price after 3 years. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Why is this secret sauce more credible than any of the others that have never made it out of the lab over the past few decades?
Because it's the most recent? They all were, at the point of announcement.
Cheap, mass market electrics vehicles are always just one more breakthrough away. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: |
Cheap, mass market electrics vehicles are always just one more breakthrough away. |
There are now a fair few reasonably priced electric vehicles around, and the prices will continue to fall overall as popularity grows, and the technology itself improves and becomes cheaper.
The method in this research from the University of Waterloo, if it works is pretty simple, the signs look realtively promising.
Lets face it, in the developed world, at least, the ice is on it's way out .. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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linuxyeti wrote: | There are now a fair few reasonably priced electric vehicles around |
We've just been over this. Bike are either £10K+ (subsidised), or have little more than electric pedal cycle performance, or are vapourware. What happened to Yamaha's PES/PED bikes?
linuxyeti wrote: | and the prices will continue to fall overall as popularity grows, and the technology itself improves and becomes cheaper. |
The technology pre-dates ICE, and increased demand for limited resources does what to costs?
linuxyeti wrote: | The method in this research from the University of Waterloo, if it works is pretty simple, the signs look realtively promising |
What signs? Have you read their patent? A peer reviewed article? On the face it it, it's just yet another unsupported claim. If you believed every article of that sort, you'd be constantly traumatised by their failures to make it out of the lab.
I will have an electrobike at some point. I'd have one now if there was one that could sustain 70mph, with even a 50 mile range, and a price tag not exceeding £5K. Where is it? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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A "touring" "dual purpose" bike which can only do a maximum of 78 miles at cruising speed before needing at least an hour, maybe 2, charging up, using hard to find "level 2" charging stations, which don't tend to be found in the middle of a forest.
No mention of weight, so I'm going to have a stab in the dark at over 200KG's.
So it does neither of the tasks it was designed to do, but looks good. I'm not grabbed yet. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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tl;dr version - "Affordable, usable, unsubsidised, mass market electric motorcycles might be available from $INSERT_MARQUE in the future."
As always.
I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.
And a little angry. Clickbait, fakenews, very bad. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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stevo as b4 wrote: | I'm not sure where electric bike nerds are wanting electric motor vehicles to go?
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That's easy, to entirely replace and improve upon ice powered bikes. As you've rightly said, town/city centre riding can pretty much already be replaced, the longer commute, in my case 120 mile round trip at motorway speeds, just not quite fully there yet, it is however, very close.
As for touring, I found an article somewhere the other day, about a german who covered almost 700 miles in 24 hours on a Zero, even I rarely do more than 500 miles in a single day ..
Yes, they're more expensive upfront, however, if used as a main form of transport, that additional cost should be largely offset by the savings in fuel costs/servicing, especially if the ice powered bike is serviced by a garage.
I do agree with you at the moment, as far as weekend warriors go, it's probably not cost effective, yet.
Once the charging infrastructure has improved, which it is doing slowly but surely, both public, and at the work place ..
If I could charge my bike up at work, I'd have an electric bike already. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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The monster torque (yes, G, torque) of electric motors does actually make a pure performance bike an interesting prospect as a toy. I mean, how far does a typical Sunday hero ride anyway?
And at the budget end, I agree that there's already enough there that you could just about make do.
It's that CB500 / SV650 zone in the middle that's just not happening despite the years of Electro Jam Tomorrow promises.
[UPDATE]
And as if by magic (like how magnets work), Yamaha announce yet another "concept".
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/march/yamaha-ty-electric-trials-bike/
Nice reminder that it's 5 years since they announced the imminent production of their PES/PED mass market electrobikes.
Maybe they're just so quiet and stealthy that they went into production and nobody noticed? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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[triggered]
There's been kids electric trials bikes for ages.
And it makes loads of sense - near 0 'fuel' usage when not moving and low usage when moving slowly. That 'monster torque' from low RPM is just where you need it - low RPM, as opposed to a performance bike which needs that torque at higher rpm ya'know, the P word .
And typically you don't go far away from your base at all - you can always have a spare battery stored there if you do get low.
In the end for other applications - batteries are still expensive with low energy density compared to ICE energy storage. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 37 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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