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PostPosted: 08:41 - 30 Mar 2018    Post subject: KTM 790 Duke & ADV /R To be made in China with CFMoto Reply with quote

They've just had the ceremony for 'breaking ground' on the new factory..

https://www.motorcycle-magazine.com/ktm-cfmoto-west-meets-east/
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 30 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Former Benelli CEO Pierluigi Marconi wrote:
[CFMoto] are on a higher level in terms of understanding Western markets than any other manufacturer there I’ve yet had dealings with

And yet they're still shipping bikes to random importers who have no interest in marketing or supporting them.

Result: there were fewer CF Moto 650s on the road in 2017 than in 2016, despite them still being actively sold.

That increasing proportion of SORNed (i.e. slung in the shed and forgotten about) bikes represent several tonnes of never-again regret.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=cf+moto+650

At the moment, WK look like a defunct company just running down their stock. Will anyone else take a gamble on the CF Motos once they go under?
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 30 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's in the UK, coupled with the sometimes iffy support from WK. My hope would be that, the KTM distributors take them on, and, also bring in the rest of the range of bikes, although the only ones that I'm vaguely interested in is the 650MT, and, the not available over here, 650TR-G

The CF650TR has, so far, been a very good bike, for me at least. I would be very tempted if they brought over the CF650TR-G.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 30 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
That's in the UK, coupled with the sometimes iffy support from WK. My hope would be that, the KTM distributors take them on, and, also bring in the rest of the range of bikes, although the only ones that I'm vaguely interested in is the 650MT, and, the not available over here, 650TR-G

The CF650TR has, so far, been a very good bike, for me at least. I would be very tempted if they brought over the CF650TR-G.


Because that is where we are. That is what affects us and the buying of motorcycles.

As said numerous times, the Chinese selling model is build them cheap, flog them on with sod all PROPER dealer network.

Why would KTM dilute their brand name selling WK's. We know the Chinese can make good stuff when the quality control is in place, that isn't an argument but you won't get Yamaha selling Chinese branded bikes in their dealerships using their dealer services, why would KTM.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 30 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
That's in the UK

I'm in the UK.

linuxyeti wrote:
coupled with the sometimes iffy support from WK

I rather suspect from their current model lineup that it's about to become non-existent support from WK.

linuxyeti wrote:
My hope would be that, the KTM distributors take them on

Why would KTM UK want or allow their dealers to sell equivalent bikes from a rival marque side by side with KTMs, for less money?

linuxyeti wrote:
The CF650TR has, so far, been a very good bike

I've never had an issue with the bikes, had a sit-and-sniff of one and couldn't see anything wrong, and have on occasion been tempted to take a punt at their fire sale prices.

Then I recall that the resale value is essentially scrap even if it keeps running, and supply and support is... well, as you say, "iffy".

Nope. They're too disposable to be relied on, and too expensive to be disposable. The value proposition just doesn't work for me.

Which is a damn shame as I'd like to see them taking sales from the established marques and driving down prices, as the MT-07 did when it was released at nearly a grand cheaper than the equivalent Suzukis and Kawasakis. Despite all the bawwing about "there's no profit on new bikes" they somehow managed to cut their prices to match.
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