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Posted: 19:40 - 14 Apr 2018 Post subject: |
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Blimey, that Z800 is a heavy old lump.
Definitely test ride before deciding - it'll depend on how you want the engine to deliver its fun.
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Posted: 10:57 - 15 Apr 2018 Post subject: |
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First bike ever? So your experience is training for your Module 1 & 2 plus the CBT?
£5,000 is a lot of money for a first ever bike. There's nowt wrong in buying what you like the look of if you can afford it without batting an eyelid but keep in mind there's the potential for mishaps during manual handling and riding on the whole. MT-07's are A2 friendly, with a restriction kit, so have been handled, albiet with reduced power, plenty of times over so wouldn't be a bad choice.
Saying that, though, you can get an MT-09 for a shade under £5,000 it really just depends on how long, at this point in time, you think you want to keep the bike.
Just to be a killjoy you're probably going to want a tracker for a bike of that value and given that, at one point, MT-07's, in London at least, were the go after bike. Some heavy security and TPFT or Fully Comp insurance would come in handy, too (remember if the excess is more than the policy price don't buy it).
Look on the used market as there's plenty of models for £5,000 that you could walk away with (although do ask what reasonable prices are given its not uncommon for both private and deal sellers to overprice their goods. The former because "pride and joy" and the later because overheads).
MCN reviews, youtube videos and sitting on some bikes may help make your mind up, too. ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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dornam wrote: | Pushing it a bit, what do you guys think about the Z900? It's £1000 more expensive but reviews say it's a much better bike? |
What does "better bike" mean to you?
All bikes are compromises. Any "do-it-all" bike will be mediocre at most things. Therefore you need to know what's important to you in order to figure out if one bike is better than another.
Do you want to tour? Ride on a track? Blast down country lanes? Green laning? Pose in front of the pub on Sundays? Pose in town? Cut through traffic? Are you buying the bike for its abilities (which abilities, specifically?) or how it looks to other people?
Do you want to buy the best bike you can afford right now, and have nowhere to go when you want a step up? Or do you want to pace yourself?
Do you want a bike you can scare yourself on, or something you can push closer to the limits and learn on?
If I were you I'd buy a simple 3 to 5 year old commuter naked (since you seem to like nakeds), preferably with ABS (so you can panic-brake in wet weather without worries), and figure out which aspects of biking you prefer, and then move on to a bike that's much more suitable for your purpose.
Buying the shiniest bike with 120+hp as your first bike seems like a recipe for early scares and hanging up your boots sooner rather than later to me. But maybe that's what you want. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Posted: 19:53 - 15 Apr 2018 Post subject: |
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dornam wrote: | Pushing it a bit, what do you guys think about the Z900? It's £1000 more expensive but reviews say it's a much better bike? |
I test rode a z900, 765 Street Triple R and ended up buying an MT09 last month.
z900 was incredibly smooth, best throttle response of the three (proper cable, not ride by wire), smoothest gearbox I've ever used and incredibly fast. It was also the heaviest but once on the move it handles it very well. Brakes well, handles well etc. Lacks a few toys compared to the competition though so doesn't feel as good value for money.
But as it is very smooth in its power delivery you could probably get on ok with it as a first bike. But open up the engine to the upper revs and you will get a very very fast turn of speed to get yourself in trouble with.
I'd get yourself down to a dealer and get test rides on several bikes that interest you, you might find that the z900 is far too fast for you to enjoy with no experience.
How about a KTM 790? 105bhp hoon dog. I've been reading about them today and I have to say, its got "next bike" written all over it, maybe in a couple of years when I feel like parting with the MT09.
I wouldn't reccomend the MT09 for a first ever bike either btw, I absolutely love mine, but I wouldn't say it's user friendly at all.
I would reccomend a Street Triple though, I had a 2013, fantastic bike. |
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Posted: 20:43 - 15 Apr 2018 Post subject: |
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dornam wrote: | Given the price of these bikes, I would like to keep it for a few years. I'm not interested in riding on track at this point, I want to use the bike for commuting every now and then and for fun. It won't serve a specific purpose apart from my own fun. Looks are important as I don't want to buy a bike that I do not like.
I want to buy the best bike for 5k. The only thing that puts me off the MT07 is many people saying that it's fun at the beginning and soon after that, they feel the need to go on a bigger bike. If that's the case, might as well buy a bigger bike from the beginning. |
OP,
People have suggested the Street Triple to you as they are a fun, lightweight bike which is predominantly a super sport bike without the fairings and clip ons. The inline triple engine is an absolute peach, delivering what many believe is the right amount of power for the real world with just over 100bhp. Handily, this power is delivered in a smooth, none threatening way from 4000 rpm right up to the limiter. Oh, and did I mention the noise? There’s plenty of bikes around from around £3000 upwards and it will be a good bike for a few years until you decide to go balls out with a super naked. ____________________ SV650S>>>Street Triple R |
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Not a lot of love for the MT-07 in this thread, so I'll be contrary.
I bought a brand new MT-07 as my first ever bike about 18 months ago. I chose it because it was (in my opinion), the best A2 restrictable machine money could buy. In the interest of full disclosure, if I'd had a full A license at the time, I'd have bought a street triple (or an R1), no questions asked.
That said, the MT-07 has actually been an excellent first bike for me. Even in its A2 form it is not a slow machine, especially for a noob coming from 'normal' cars. It's also quite a friendly bike in the way it delivers power and rides, which is good for the first few months when you're a bit wobbly, and actually also quite good later on as it lets you rag it without worrying you're going to stuff it into a tree. There is plenty of power there if you want it, and it's very easily accessible, coming from low revs with a decent lump of torque, so it can be good fun as well.
Now I'm not a particularly aggressive, or even an especially good rider, but I've done 6,000 miles on mine during my ownership, and I'm certainly not bored of it by any means. Now I'm doing my A license, I'm still not going to swap it for a few more years.
The machine will do anything at least reasonably well. It's no superbike, but it'll go quick if you want it to, it's no tourer, but I've done plenty of long distance 8 hour days with no issues. It's an extremely capable commuter, and as a city bike or a weekend 'toy' it also excels. Only thing it doesn't really do is pose.
The thing is relatively light weight. That's handy all the time, obviously, but for me at least, the fact that you can 'manhandle' it a bit saved me from an embarrassing drop whilst pushing it out the garage. An extra 20KG, that could've been expensive.
It's also pretty comfy. Seat height is low, so you can flat foot if you want, but I'm over 6ft and I don't feel cramped.
Mine has an Akrapovic system on, so it sounds good as well.
You have £5k, you want a noob friendly bike that'll be enjoyable for at least a couple years, you won't go far wrong with the -07. ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
A2 Licence Passed: 12/02/16
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dornam wrote: | Given the price of these bikes, I would like to keep it for a few years. |
This goes both ways. Buy a cheaper bike and you can dispose of it sooner with less depreciation loss.
Quote: | Looks are important as I don't want to buy a bike that I do not like. |
You seem to take it as axiomatic that looks are important for you to like it. That's an important clue. You can't really see a bike when you're on it, so it sounds like looks are what is most important. I personally wouldn't like a bike with poor handling no matter how nice it looks.
Quote: | I want to buy the best bike for 5k. |
There is no best bike for 5k. My Brutale cost 5k (second hand); so did my SH300 scooter (retail 4.7k); which is best? I like both almost equally. They can't really be compared; apples and oranges.
It appears that the best bike for you is the bike that is best looking to you, so why not just buy the prettiest bike you can find?
Quote: | The only thing that puts me off the MT07 is many people saying that it's fun at the beginning and soon after that, they feel the need to go on a bigger bike. If that's the case, might as well buy a bigger bike from the beginning. |
This mentality doesn't make any sense to me. You're spending thousands of pounds because you don't want to buy another bike for a while, and that forces you to make a really hard decision because you're spending thousands of pounds on a decision you can't change. You've created your own problem.
The way to solve the problem is to gather more information. The cheapest way to do that is spend less on your first bike, and keep it for a shorter period. Nobody on this forum can tell you how you'll get on with any specific bike. It's like trying to predict if someone will prefer doughnuts or steak, never mind apples vs oranges.
The other way to solve it is to buy the shiniest bike you can find, the one that most appeals to you visually, and not give a damn what it's like to ride. In which case you already have all the equipment you need. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 14 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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