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Pjay wrote: | And yet here you are. |
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chickenstrip wrote: | mpd72 wrote: | Some bloke posted a clip on the Internets so it must be true. |
Now that really is a case of "pot, kettle, black"! |
I'm not the one believing the shite being fed to me. You're happy to believe the shit May and Johnson say as fact , when they say things like "probably" or "most likely".
I don't. I think there's far more to the whole Syria thing that the plebs are being told.
We all know Russia has an interest in Syria remaining under Assad's control, because they want a gas pipeline running through Syria to keep them supplying 80% of their gas to Europe.
It's also no secret that the UK, EU and the US don't want this pipeline building and instead want one passing through Quatar and Turkey so we're less dependant on Russia for gas and Russia has less power over Europe.
Hang on a minute.... you don't think.... you know... this whole thing, Salisbury, demonising Russia and Assad has anything to do with it do you?
No, surely not. It's not like out leaders ever lie about their reasons for invading a country is it (WMD's cough cough..) ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Just a couple of facts for those of you wondering why the Skripals are still alive.
On finding someone who appears to be suffering a cardiac arrest, one of the first drugs a paramedic would give someone in an attempt to restart their heart is atropine.
One of the the specific antidotes to anticholinesterase nerve agents, as issued in automatic injector pens to troops working in suspect chemical environments is... Atropine.
So, there is a good chance they were inadvertantly administered the very drug that would keep them alive in the case of nerve agent poisoning very shortly after their collapse. Especially if their heart stopped or started beating very slowly. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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https://youtu.be/BROMV0nJvyE
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It's definately true. I was CS gassed and had to practice response to a nerve agent attack using dummy atropine injectors (find in bag, remove lid, bang into thigh) when I was in the OTC. Harder than you'd think with snot flying out of every facial orifice and wearing 3 romeo NBC kit. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Aside from the Douma 'chemical attack' stuff, Russia lies as a matter of policy? Surely not... ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: |
Aside from the Douma 'chemical attack' stuff, Russia lies as a matter of policy? Surely not... |
And you believe the shite which comes out of Corbyn, Abbot, May and Johnson's mouths? £100BN to write off student debt, "Twelfty" to pay for loads moaw police, Salisbury "probably" was the Ruskies, even though it happened 6 miles from the only place in the UK equiped to deal with such an attack. How nice of the Russians eh?
We get our intelligence on Syria from an anti Assad campaigner, from his bedroom in Coventry. It's quite clear we we're looking for an excuse to get involved with no proof needed and nothing to do with yet another alleged chemical weapons attack.
It's all about a fecking gas pipe. We want Europe also supplied through the non Russian, Turkish/Quatar one, Russia want their one through Syria. It amazes me people are willing to believe the shite excuses coming from our government.
Remember Teflon Tony and his weapons of mass destruction. Was that about oil or WMD's? I'll give you time to consider that one. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | It's all very well saying why would Bashar al-Assad do this or that, but he's not running the show over there, the Russians are.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43792120
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Quote: | The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons will be given access to an alleged chemical attack site in Syria, Russia says.
- they have been unable to visit the nearby town of Douma because of "security issues" cited by Russia.
-concerns that Russia, the Syrian government's ally, might have tampered with the site.
Opposition activists, medical organisations and rescue workers say more than 40 people were killed when aircraft dropped barrel bombs filled with toxic chemicals on the town while it was still held by rebel forces. |
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/4f/89/9d4f893f2af7eea94141c299a81712ab.jpg |
That's just bullshit western propaganda, you'll believe any drivel they spoon feed you.
Russian troops were only there, 11 days before the opcw, to make the beds and fluff the pilllows ready for the opcw, and obviously to make sure its secure too.
They absolutely weren't there to clean up or remove evidence of a chemical weapon attack, that never happed because the uk/us/rebels faked it. Despite the WHO having evidence off people suffering for the effects of said chemical weapons.
Obviously the WHO are just another western fake news pedalling propaganda machine.
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Firstly:
mpd72 wrote: |
I'm not the one believing the shite being fed to me. |
Are you saying that everything you have posted here, you made up yourself?
mpd72 wrote: | You're happy to believe the shit May and Johnson say as fact , when they say things like "probably" or "most likely".
I don't. I think there's far more to the whole Syria thing that the plebs are being told.
We all know Russia has an interest in Syria remaining under Assad's control, because they want a gas pipeline running through Syria to keep them supplying 80% of their gas to Europe.
It's also no secret that the UK, EU and the US don't want this pipeline building and instead want one passing through Quatar and Turkey so we're less dependant on Russia for gas and Russia has less power over Europe.
Hang on a minute.... you don't think.... you know... this whole thing, Salisbury, demonising Russia and Assad has anything to do with it do you?
No, surely not. It's not like out leaders ever lie about their reasons for invading a country is it (WMD's cough cough..) |
U wot m8? I'm afraid I think you have completely misinterpreted me (again), because you are so obsessed with this Syria thing. My comments have been about Skripal, Litvinenko, and all the other activity attributed to Putin's regime, and why I don't trust him, or his government. And I have barely skimmed the surface in this thread of why that is. There's so much in fact, you do actually need to read whole books of it - a few choice internet articles and tv news reports just can't do it all justice.
mpd72 wrote: | Salisbury "probably" was the Ruskies, even though it happened 6 miles from the only place in the UK equiped to deal with such an attack. How nice of the Russians eh? |
Tell you what, go on then. Instead of dropping hints of what you think, spell out your scenario for this. I'll read it. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Tell you what, go on then. Instead of dropping hints of what you think, spell out your scenario for this. I'll read it. |
Again? If it didn't sink in the first few times, it's hardly worth bothering.
Salisbury, Syria, it's all about 2 proposed gas pipelines to supply Europe. We don't want the Russian/Syrian one, they do. We want the Quatar/Turkish one. We have to demonise Russia and Assad and influence the civil war in Syria to stop them building the one we, the EU and the US don't want.
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mpd72 wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: |
Tell you what, go on then. Instead of dropping hints of what you think, spell out your scenario for this. I'll read it. |
Again? If it didn't sink in the first few times, it's hardly worth bothering.
Salisbury, Syria, it's all about 2 proposed gas pipelines to supply Europe. We don't want the Russian/Syrian one, they do. We want the Quatar/Turkish one. We have to demonise Russia and Assad and influence the civil war in Syria to stop them building the one we, the EU and the US don't want.
If you can't see through the propaganda over this, do you want to buy any magic beans? |
So what you're saying is Putin is invading countries (Ukraine and Georgia) and assisting in proxy wars in the middle east while allowing and possibly even using chemical weapons on civilian populations to protect Russian state gas profits, and exert influence over Europe through his control of energy supplies? ____________________ 2001 Aprilia RSV Mille R -dead, 2016 XSR 700-gone, 2018 Dorsoduro 900 |
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Monkeywrencher wrote: | So what you're saying is Putin is invading countries (Ukraine and Georgia) |
This will be the "invasion" where the Pro Russian former Ukrainian government decided it didn't want to be part of the EU and civil unrest followed, leading to a revolution, when a large proportion of the country are pro Russian and don't want to be any part of the EU, at a time where the EU is tiny to prise the country from Russian loyalty.
Monkeywrencher wrote: | and assisting in proxy wars in the middle east |
You mean supporting the government against ISIS and almost bringing a 7 year war to an end? Bastards.
Monkeywrencher wrote: | while allowing and possibly even using chemical weapons on civilian populations |
Shit the bed? You have proof?! Where? Better tell May, she has none.
Monkeywrencher wrote: | to protect Russian state gas profits, and exert influence over Europe through his control of energy supplies? |
Now you're getting it. Russia sell 80% of it's gas to Europe and want to keep this control over our gas supply. The UK/EU/US don't want this, so must put a stop to the Russian/Syrian pipeline with any excuse necessary to hoodwink the populace of those countries with propaganda. The UK/EU/US favor another Quatar/Turkish pipeline, so would rather snuggle up and bribe those countries.
It's hardly a new tactic in International politics is it? Every sodding war we enter is about oil or gas, with some lame terrorism/WMD's excuse banded over it. If you haven't worked that out by now, there is no hope. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: |
Tell you what, go on then. Instead of dropping hints of what you think, spell out your scenario for this. I'll read it. |
Again? If it didn't sink in the first few times, it's hardly worth bothering.
Salisbury, Syria, it's all about 2 proposed gas pipelines to supply Europe. We don't want the Russian/Syrian one, they do. We want the Quatar/Turkish one. We have to demonise Russia and Assad and influence the civil war in Syria to stop them building the one we, the EU and the US don't want.
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Just for the record, I am not entirely convinced that the Douma attack was a chemical attack by the Syrian regime. I agree that the arguments against it are strong, and have yet to see evidence confirming it. That doesn't mean to say that western governments don't have stronger evidence, but the jury is still out for me. I'm just happy that the tripartite missile 'retaliation' didn't develop into a wider conflict.
What I wanted you to lay out for me was specifically how the Skripal poisoning being close to Porton Down means that it wasn't a Russian sponsored attempted killing, and exactly who and how you suggest did it? I get the impression that you mean it was done on the orders of the UK government? So how would that have played out in your view?
I would also like to know how you propose the various murders of Russian journalists, ex-intelligence agents and businessmen opposed to Putin are connected with oil and gas pipeline building in the middle East and elsewhere. Do you think that all these murders (or deaths in unexplained circumstances, if you prefer) are directly connected to it? I would like to see some examples of individuals and how the one influences the other. As I have said, Russian affairs interest me, so I would prefer to read something more in-depth than a news headline or two.
Why do we need to stop the Russians from building a pipeline through Syria? Why not just go ahead with our own preferred choice and just not 'plug in' to a Russian/Syrian one for Europe? I fully admit that I am not very conversant with the details of proposed oil and gas supply options to Europe, so perhaps you could fill me in a little, with some references I can go to, to find out more for myself (again, preferably something a little more in-depth than a couple of articles in the news media, although if they point me to further such reading, that'd be useful), and preferably also something that is not partisan within the politics of the thing, but lays out all the proposed options with their advantages and disadvantages to each party involved.
Personally, I think Russia is quite good at demonising itself on the world stage, without western aid in the matter, but I also think that if Putin is going to play hard ball, western governments are quite within their rights to respond in kind. At least I have yet to see any evidence that we carry out murders of people opposed to our views on Russian soil with agents that could potentially harm many innocent people. I know of not one case of this that the west has been accused of, and is widely reported - perhaps you know otherwise? I am happy to read such if you do. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Ha, ha, ha! The BBC carrying a pro EU opinion? Never! ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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