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to be quite frank, other than paperwork, the EU has sweet FA to do with animal welfare, i know of some real shit holes that as long as the paperwork is filled in, can send their crap on the market, you might get the dairy inspector come round once every 10 years, red tractor which is a seperate regulatory inspectorate come around annually to checkout welfare. |
Fair point. Presumably though these 'shit holes' do sell onto the UK market? Doesn't sound like the change in regs would influence your operations, or any RT producer, but the 'shit holes' just become slightly more shit.
Plus there must clearly be enough of a market for this 'low grade' produce in the UK, otherwise why would it be an important negotiation topic in a potential US trade deal? The US department involved obviously believes they can sell US produce with over 400,000 counts if the legislation is changed in the UK, else why would they discuss it at all?
Are UK wholesalers and supermarkets obliged to comply with RT? Must admit I've seen RT milk in Sainsburys et al., but glancing at the bottle in my fridge right now, no mention of it? Interestingly, Sainbury's milk is 97% from British producers, so presumably the other 3% can't be Red Tractor and must be regulated by the EU regs only?
Plus what about secondary producers of dairy? Do they have to comply? I've had a quick look at some Muller and Danone yoghurts, no red tractor compliance mentioned there?
In fact, looking at my fridge right now, there's loads of stuff that proudly proclaims to be British or Soil Association endorsed Organic or EU agriculture compliant, but not a single item labelled as RT. If RT is really a higher standard, and the stuff complies, I'm surprised they don't say so? ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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Val wrote: | Otherwise everybody would eat organic food. |
You mean about a billion people, tops, would eat stunted, pest nibbled scrapings, while the other 6 billion who absolutely rely on food grown with pesticides or GM Frankengenes starve to death?
That sort of organic food? Or do you imagine there's a magical sort that grows better than it did back around 1800 or so? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Itchy wrote: | Well without all the non organic foods the population would top out at around 2bn anyway. |
That's what I just said, but I'd go with 1 billion if by "organic" you mean no GM, no pesticides, and no fossil based fertlisers.
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asta1 wrote: | Rob Fzs wrote: |
to be quite frank, other than paperwork, the EU has sweet FA to do with animal welfare, i know of some real shit holes that as long as the paperwork is filled in, can send their crap on the market, you might get the dairy inspector come round once every 10 years, red tractor which is a seperate regulatory inspectorate come around annually to checkout welfare. |
Fair point. Presumably though these 'shit holes' do sell onto the UK market? Doesn't sound like the change in regs would influence your operations, or any RT producer, but the 'shit holes' just become slightly more shit.
Plus there must clearly be enough of a market for this 'low grade' produce in the UK, otherwise why would it be an important negotiation topic in a potential US trade deal? The US department involved obviously believes they can sell US produce with over 400,000 counts if the legislation is changed in the UK, else why would they discuss it at all?
Are UK wholesalers and supermarkets obliged to comply with RT? Must admit I've seen RT milk in Sainsburys et al., but glancing at the bottle in my fridge right now, no mention of it? Interestingly, Sainbury's milk is 97% from British producers, so presumably the other 3% can't be Red Tractor and must be regulated by the EU regs only?
Plus what about secondary producers of dairy? Do they have to comply? I've had a quick look at some Muller and Danone yoghurts, no red tractor compliance mentioned there?
In fact, looking at my fridge right now, there's loads of stuff that proudly proclaims to be British or Soil Association endorsed Organic or EU agriculture compliant, but not a single item labelled as RT. If RT is really a higher standard, and the stuff complies, I'm surprised they don't say so? |
There is numerous regulatory bodies going around covering similar stuff to Rt, if it's not them, it's the RSPCA / Arlagarden or some other quango, farmers hate RT exactly because it's a waste of time, you yourself mention it's not advertised, it should be because you cant sell any significant amount of milk without it, but we're forced to comply and pay for the inspection.
Sainsburies like alot of supermarkets now has their own contracts direct with the farmer that piggyback through Arla or Muller, a mate of mine has a sainsburies contract and he's continuously bogged down with paperwork and being told what to do by Promar.
The 3% is probably Ireland where they probably have a similar body in place, the idea of RT is to differentiate from the global market and prove we have better standards, where it fails is it doesn't add any value, when it first came out it did, but now it's mandatory for everyone to have it, if you dont, you dont sell your milk, you can sell non farm assured beef in the cattle market, but it doesn't recieve the same bonus as RT does and there's not many buyers for it.
I doubt the US agri department is even mentioning it, the US gov every year does a document on what restrictions they have selling in to the EU, the Guardian and other shit stirrers read this and then make a big deal of it.
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Ah, the joys of being able to move to a foreign country and only have to work part time, yet still get given over £10K gratis on top, without having to pay any income tax.
I’m sure life is just as tough in Eastern Europe. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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https://i.imgur.com/rME3N17.png
In actual news, <anti-democracy-intensifies.gif>. The establishment elite have started a People's Vote campaign in order to overturn the, uh, people's vote.
All the usual suspects are there, plus Obi Wan Dumbledore from Battlestar Galactica, spouting some space-wizard-gabble. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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It's more dollar weakness than anything else.
Trade wars and the metaphorical nuclear bomb dropped on Washington as in a couple of weeks the PetroRMB is unveiled. Plus two more (oil producing) countries agreed to sell in local currencies to by pass the US$. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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The funny irony is that you mentioned cheaper soya beans as a net benefit to yourself.
Except the trade war between the PRC and US means US is going to have a massive oversupply of Soya beans...
Not to mention the fact you don't even need Soya beans any more as you got rid of your cattle. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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The funny irony is that you mentioned cheaper soya beans as a net benefit to yourself.
Except the trade war between the PRC and US means US is going to have a massive oversupply of Soya beans...
Not to mention the fact you don't even need Soya beans any more as you got rid of your cattle. |
got rid of the dairy cattle, upping beef numbers and they love Soya
winners and losers, farming is a dead dodo that we're diversifying out of, until the massive amounts of SMP is moved out of intervention, the EU markets never going to react to supply and demand how it should. ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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Tell the arseholes in the civil service that, which is predominantly stuffed full of remainers. ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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Well, well. Remoaner Rudd has fallen on her sword (backwards, between her shoulderblades).
Anonymous back benchers (such heroes) are gnashing their gums over ousting Treasona if she flops on staying enslaved to the insular, protectionist Customs Union.
Far too little, far, far too late, but it might be a giggle. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Meanhwile academics have found the reason for Brexit and Trump.
tldr; it is nationalism and racism won against globalism and global human values.
I have to say I am not suprised to find out the majority of Brexshitters are nationalistic racist cockwombles (even the ones that deny it)
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 333 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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