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do you want to kick Corbyn in the ballots and vote for somebody else in the local election?
Yes voting Tory
66%
 66%  [ 14 ]
Yes voting Greens
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Yes voting Lib-dems
14%
 14%  [ 3 ]
Yes voting Renew
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
No I love to suck Corbyn's ballots
19%
 19%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 21

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PostPosted: 14:22 - 04 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKIP will be back demanding a vote on hanging.
Then a vote on bringing back national service
Then banning gay people
Then banning motorbikes.
As long as there are people to hate , UKIP will be there.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 04 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
You Brexit fuckers forget rapidly how close the vote was to leave/stay.

And you're forgetting that it was meant to be a token referendum with leaving never really on the cards? Wink

MCN wrote:
Who knows what is best?

With that logic no one would ever vote.

MCN wrote:
No one in government knows.

The governments position was that we should stay, remember the 9 million quid spent sending a leaflet to every house saying so?

MCN wrote:
No one on BCF knows.

See point two.

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For those who voted stay it is not the fear of the unknown but the chance we cut our noses off to spite our face.

No it's fear of the unknown. It's like leaving a shit job or bad relationship without having worked out what you're going to do next. Most people still do it, unless you want to stay miserable.

And contrary to what kippyzona believes it wasn't a vote of hatred (for everyone), it a was a vote of caring where this country ends up, which for the majority of people is better off (long-term) outside the EU.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 04 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
MCN wrote:
You Brexit fuckers forget rapidly how close the vote was to leave/stay.


Yep, 1,269,501 close....what's over 1.2 million votes between friends eh?


4%. Dickhead.
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PostPosted: 04:03 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

So anyway. Kicked in the ballots, Corbyn most certainly was not Very Happy

For the joy of balance before any other cynic chimes in, I'll note that these votes were mostly for urban seats, meaning things could well be different when it comes to other parts of the country.

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1864E/production/_101181999_london_and_outside-nc.png
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PostPosted: 07:30 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

not all Labour voters are minority benefit claimants but all minority benefit claimants vote Labour...
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
not all Labour voters are minority benefit claimants but all minority benefit claimants vote Labour...


Or Liberal.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Johnnythefox wrote:
not all Labour voters are minority benefit claimants but all minority benefit claimants vote Labour...


Or Liberal.


Liberal? no chance.

Liberals to me seem the most white British middle class party of them all. The sort of wets who want to be seen as hoodie huggers and immigrant lovers but really, deep down, they just love being bummed by Angela Merkel.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liberals are the worst of the lot, not a political spine among them. Idealism to the nth degree. Worst of all is if you have a look at what it actually is, you'll find their ideals are so broad that clearly they just go with whatever is the flavour of the week at the time.

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Though all liberal doctrines possess a common heritage, scholars frequently assume that those doctrines contain "separate and often contradictory streams of thought"



Worst to me is that they claim to be everything but Tory (or at least the common theme is that of 'Labour + Lib Dems' vs 'Tory Hegemony', but in truth they stand for the same things, or worse! Free society and free markets is pretty much their bottom line - laissez faire everything, because a hefty dose of "let the people do what they want" while 'natural forces' work their magic charm is all that's needed to keep things going smoothly, as if the invention of governance, rule and law was not ever for a the greater good of society. Total madness. At least right and left wing folk agree that some form of control is necessary, only with differing opinions on how the control should manifest itself. Liberals on the other hand assume society will carry on fine and dandy as long as competition and capitalism in its rawest form is allowed to happen unrestricted.


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as long as supply, demand, prices, and competition were left free of government regulation, the pursuit of material self-interest, rather than altruism, would maximise the wealth of a society through profit-driven production of goods and services. An "invisible hand" directed individuals and firms to work toward the nation's good as an unintended consequence of efforts to maximise their own gain.


Laughing As if gang rule, oligarchy or extreme corporatism can be suddenly erased from the dictionary, or as if slavery and indentured servitude were never a thing in the far more liberal days of yesteryear.

I don't think Lib Dem voters really have any idea at all what they're voting for.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Johnnythefox wrote:
not all Labour voters are minority benefit claimants but all minority benefit claimants vote Labour...


Or Liberal.

Or more likely not at all.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we please not use the L word, unless it's to refer to someone who actually believes in individual liberties, including the freedom to disagree with the Party Goodthink in thought, word and action.

Social progressives are not liberals. All forms of socialism are coercive collectivism, which is the antithesis of liberalism.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean that antifa and Unite Against Fascism aren't liberal? Shocked
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PostPosted: 07:27 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Social progressives are not liberals. All forms of socialism are coercive collectivism, which is the antithesis of liberalism.


While we may disagree on the greatness of well-tuned socialist thought, we at least agree entirely on the absurd conflation of what is really 'left' and what is really 'liberal'.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
You mean that antifa and Unite Against Fascism aren't liberal? Shocked

I gas the fool who thinks that.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 08 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Can we please not use the L word, unless it's to refer to someone who actually believes in individual liberties, including the freedom to disagree with the Party Goodthink in thought, word and action.

Social progressives are not liberals. All forms of socialism are coercive collectivism, which is the antithesis of liberalism.


+1 Farage is liberal. And Trump. Long story short liberals believe the only measure of the freedom and any other human values must be the money and 100% free market.

Hence liberals natural dislike of anything that is not measured by money. Like the value of the human life and NHS for example.

There is no world country ruled by liberal rules.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 08 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
+1 Farage is liberal. And Trump.

https://newsthump.com/2017/06/15/nigel-farage-to-stand-for-leader-of-the-liberal-democrats/
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 08 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Farage is liberal. And Trump.

In Bulgaria, perhaps.

Val wrote:
There is no world country ruled by liberal rules.

Canada? Australia?
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 09 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


Val wrote:
There is no world country ruled by liberal rules.

Canada? Australia?


Given that in the same post this was said:

Val wrote:
Long story short liberals believe the only measure of the freedom and any other human values must be the money and 100% free market.


I really would like to know what makes you think Canada and Australia of all places are the most liberal. Actual liberal, not SJW nonsense pseudo-liberal.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 09 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should write an indignant letter to those governments with your definitions of liberalism and see what they've got to say for themselves.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 09 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

We? Shocked

Val is on his own. Razz
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 12 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:


There's less than 10 non-Labour Cllr's on my council. As a result, they fuck everything up wholesale with no worrying about being put out to pasture by the voters. A bit of accountability works wonders.

And as I already said - Voting for the person, not the party. I live in one of the highest council tax areas (snob snob) and we get the least amount of services. Very Happy

Can't even bring myself to vote Labour at the nationals because of the self serving bastards who are standing as our local MP's.


Update: 5 Labour seat losses. Thumbs Up Two Tory and 3 Indy. Good times.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 12 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

That must have been a slow count Confused
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 13 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
That must have been a slow count Confused


Only just finished celebrating. Very Happy
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