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I didn't think so. The root cause of nearly ALL of recent history problems in the Middle East is the parasitical state that is Israel (that we, ourselves initiated).
Islam and all it's culturally backward baggage it has brought to the world is an unfortunate by product.
I'm not saying that if Israel was magically removed from the map it would end all of the Middle Easts ills but it would remove a major irritant. Nearly all of the conflict since 1948 has been waged directly by Israel against it's neighbouring countries or on its behalf by its allies (us) and the US. Sadly this leads to the misguided belief that we're doing the `right thing` which is always for Freedom or Democracy or Operation Save the Children etc when it's actually all about resources and business.
Peoples sons , fathers and uncles dying for lying using Zionist bastards is not, in my opinion good value.
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I didn't think so. The root cause of nearly ALL of recent history problems in the Middle East is the parasitical state that is Israel (that we, ourselves initiated).
Islam and all it's culturally backward baggage it has brought to the world is an unfortunate by product.
I'm not saying that if Israel was magically removed from the map it would end all of the Middle Easts ills but it would remove a major irritant. Nearly all of the conflict since 1948 has been waged directly by Israel against it's neighbouring countries or on its behalf by its allies (us) and the US. Sadly this leads to the misguided belief that we're doing the `right thing` which is always for Freedom or Democracy or Operation Save the Children etc when it's actually all about resources and business.
Peoples sons , fathers and uncles dying for lying using Zionist bastards is not, in my opinion good value.
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So Muslims are only killing people and raping children, all across Europe..... because..... errrr. ..... .... Israel.
Righto.
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That's a shame, we were just getting to the good bit.
| Lord Percy wrote: | [I advocate] the total annihilation of Israel, which they've been pretty much asking for since they started their apartheid [in] 1948. |
We started it in 1917, in the sense of "it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".
Of course, the arabs kicked off, and continued to kick off in 1920, and 1921, and of course we appeased them by limiting the number of Jewish refugees allowed to enter the region, even though they were being slaughtered wholesale in Russia and the Ukraine.
It got pretty hairy in 1929 when the Jews massacred the arabs the arabs massacred the Jews, and expelled them from Hebron. They wanted to live apart from them, you might say.
They (the arabs, not the Jews) got really uppity long about 1936 but we (the UK, not the Jews) had had enough by then and gave them a taste of the bayonet to settle them down.
In 1937, we (again, le Royaume-Uni) proposed giving just 20% of the region to die Juden, and 80% to the arabs, but of course, they (the arabs, not the Jews) weren't for giving up one inch of ground in return for peace and harmony. Maybe they should have read their korans more, I hear it's all about living in peaceful harmony.
We were a bit busy from 1939 to 1945, but by 1942, die Juden had indeed had a bellyfull of arab violence and intransigence, and declared that if they wouldn't share like civilised humans, they could sod off then.
From then on, they did proceed to split shemaghs in splendid style and force out violent arabs. If you want history to begin in 1942 and end about 1950, then yes, the Zionists are literally all Hitler and nothing that preceded or followed it excuses that.
If you want to look before then, or look at now where in their, uh, apartheid state 21% of their population and 1/6th of their government is arab, perhaps we could have a reasonable discussion about whether to gas them in order to bring lasting peace to the region which is not otherwise rife with internecine slaughter between different arab tribes and flavours of muslims.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | If you want history to begin in 1942 and end about 1950, then yes, the Zionists are literally all Hitler and nothing that preceded or followed it excuses that. |
Oh, and it should go without saying, but perhaps doesn't, that the 1948 argy-bargy was precipitated by the act of Israel declaring its existence.
Of course, that sort of vile verbal aggression couldn't go unchecked, and so Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq were left with no choice but to defend their, uh, foreign borders, against those murderous words by bringing the peace of the grave to Jewish civilians in the region.
Die Juden then showed their true colours by refusing to just be exterminated (again) or fleeing the region (again), and treacherously attacked the innocent arab armed forces within its so-called borders, who were merely attempting to enact peaceful regime and genotype change.
So they are indeed Nazis, in the same sense as if Hitler had been invaded by Poland.
You can make an argument that every time that Israel is, hmmm... pro-actively defended against... it tends to seize the ground used to launch that... defence.
I can see a solution to that, although apparently the rest of the region can't quite grasp it.
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| Lord Percy wrote: | Interesting, but it doesn't really change anything. |
I was hoping it might change your mind over who started it.
Not that yesterday matters, since any solution has to come tomorrow.
And the arabs could end the situation tomorrow, or any time that they choose. Not with their final solution, but simply by accepting the reality that they will not be able to exterminate Israel either wholesale or piecemeal (even if the stones and trees say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him, as Hamas' charter notes), and settling for a two state solution.
Israel does not have the means to unilaterally end the conflict, except by ceasing to exist.
If there's a third option, I'm not seeing it.
| Lord Percy wrote: | Surely you can see what's wrong with this. A gentleman's agreement over some land which didn't belong to either of them. |
It was unfortunate that we were shouldering the burden of trying to make the region behave in a civilised fashion, yes.
The nuance is that the arabs in the region were happily selling land to the Jews before they realised that they were coming to live on it rather than turning a profit.
And that it was a sparsely populated and undeveloped area, and the Jews created new settlements (which they provided with power and water through their efforts) rather than displacing the arabs.
The forcible displacement of the arabs didn't happen until 1948, but again, we're back to: they started that, and lost.
Don't start none, won't be none.
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It's right enough what they say about you then.
The difference between a stupid person and a smart person is that the stupid person thinks they're as smart or smarter than the smart person.
.....and therein lies their stupidity.
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And the arabs could end the situation tomorrow, or any time that they choose. Not with their final solution, but simply by accepting the reality that they will not be able to exterminate Israel either wholesale or piecemeal (even if the stones and trees say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him, as Hamas' charter notes), and settling for a two state solution.
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I think you aren't aware that it's a whole lot more than angry Arabs fighting Jews "because Mohammad peace-be-upon-him said we should kill them all". You even note yourself that there was relative peace there before.
The 'two state solution' you speak of isn't even remotely upheld. The reality, which they're being forced to accept, is that of being turfed out of their homes to make way for Jewish settlers. There's documented evidence of Israeli officials knocking on doors and telling folk they have until the end of the week to leave. If they refuse, the next course of action is a bit of jackboot diplomacy and a convoy of bulldozers.
What's your take on the decades of commentary from those who say it's a blatant apartheid? UN style organisations and the likes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy#Issues_in_the_Occupied_Palestinian_Territories
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| Lord Percy wrote: | The 'two state solution' you speak of isn't even remotely upheld. |
How can it be "upheld" when it's been offered over and over and over again, and every time, the arabs have rejected it over and over and over again and vowed to utterly obliterate Israel?
Are you imagining that a two state solution has been tried and failed? 
| Lord Percy wrote: | he reality, which they're being forced to accept, is that of being turfed out of their homes to make way for Jewish settlers. |
And Jewish settlers are murdered by arabs whenever they get the chance. They don't knock and give a warning.
Perhaps they could vote for a leadership that agrees to draw some lines on a map that both sides can agree to, rather than one that doesn't recognise Israel's borders or its right to exist?
Israel aren't the good guys, but that doesn't mean the arabs are either. Only one side's leadership is calling for the total obliteration of the other. It's not die Juden doing that.
I agree that it sucks to be on the losing side in a forever war, but would point out two things:
1) The arabs started it with their actions.
2) The arabs can stop it with their actions.
Just accept that Israel does, should, and will exist, and draw some lines. That's all it's going to take.
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