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PostPosted: 08:04 - 11 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Aint Democracy a shitter, when the proles don't vote the 'approved' way, Brexit, Trump, Hungary... never mind Lord Snowflake, go back to your safe space, just non platform the masses and you might feel better.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 11 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
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Can you find any examples of Orban or Fidesz displaying anti Semitism? They have an issue with one man, George Soros, but I can't recall them talking about his heritage or ostensible religion. Rather, it's about his politics, and the way he funds anti-democratic rent-a-mobs. Maybe you know differently though.

If Fidesz are "extreme" right wing, what does that make Jobbik?

That's the problem with calling everyone Literally Hitler. Your bag of rhetoric is empty when Actual Literal Hitler come along, doubtless riding on a wolf.

On that, Hungary has been at the sharp end of several muslim invasions "refugee crises" in the past. Perhaps when they cry "wolf", we should actually fetch the pitchforks.
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PostPosted: 03:39 - 12 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Can you find any examples of Orban or Fidesz displaying anti Semitism? They have an issue with one man, George Soros, but I can't recall them talking about his heritage or ostensible religion. Rather, it's about his politics, and the way he funds anti-democratic rent-a-mobs.



So in this case it's excusable and not antisemitic at all because there are several much wider factors which show that the 'Jew' aspect is just a childish usage of the Race card in some form, but when Corbyn does similar it's definitely showing his secret plan to create Auschwitz II?

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That's the problem with calling everyone Literally Hitler. Your bag of rhetoric is empty when Actual Literal Hitler come along, doubtless riding on a wolf.


Indeed.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 12 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
So in this case it's excusable and not antisemitic at all because there are several much wider factors which show that the 'Jew' aspect is just a childish usage of the Race card in some form

Can you find any examples of Orban or Fidesz displaying anti Semitism? They have an issue with one man, George Soros, but I can't recall them talking about his heritage or ostensible religion. Rather, it's about his politics, and the way he funds anti-democratic rent-a-mobs.

You've seen the claim in a memepic.

Why do you believe it?

Even Al Beeb's desperate hit piece on Orban doesn't make the slightest suggestion that his problem with Soros is because die Juden, or that he's displayed any form of anti-Semitism, ever.

Is it perhaps just perhaps, vaguely, conceivably, possible that he's not Literal Hitler?
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 14 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Is it perhaps just perhaps, vaguely, conceivably, possible that he's not Literal Hitler?


Oh he definitely isn't even remotely Hitler, and that's the point.

Whatever Corbyn may or may not have done is barely relevant to any amount of antisemitism claims either.

I just find it absurd that the subject is even being talked about to be honest. Such a blatant smear campaign, possibly the most desperate I've seen.

Trying to claim there's a sudden problem with Jew-hating in the left, it's absurd. The best metric to use is the visibility of such opinions online. Go to most corners of youtube and you'll find a fair whack of Muslim bashing, for example, on any video relating to immigration or the various wars in the middle east. Given this, I find it funny that I've never come across a comparable type of Jew-bashing, anywhere, on videos where Jews might be bashed (e.g. stuff about "the 1%", global control, conspiracy theories and the likes), which makes it all the more unbelievable when someone tries to suggest Corbyn the ultra pacifist hugs-stop-wars type is harbouring a secret hatred for a whole group of people based on the fact that they happen to hold the Jew badge, while the vast majority of his type don't give a shit or have at least managed to maintain a perfect silence on the subject. It just doesn't make sense.

Or perhaps I just haven't seen any proper examples yet. Care to show me?
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 14 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Or perhaps I just haven't seen any proper examples [of Corbyn's anti-semitism] yet. Care to show me?

I re-iterate:

Rogerborg wrote:
Sure, he repeatedly shares platforms with people who want to exterminate die Juden, he joined multiple Facebook groups full of anti-Juden screeds, but he personally has never been caught calling for gassing them, or at least not all of them, yet.


On Labour's more general problem with gassing die Juden, it's all about courting Peacelamist votes.

Given that their polling numbers haven't dropped at all (although Comrade Corbyn's have), I think that's a fair warning to Britains Jewry that they're playing a pretty weak hand of Privilege Trumps.
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PostPosted: 03:42 - 15 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Can you find any examples of Orban or Fidesz displaying anti Semitism?


Not sure is this a joke or you are serious here Rolling Eyes

Fidesz lawmaker Laszlo Kover, took part in a memorial for Jozsef Nyiro, a writer and staunch supporter of Hungary’s national-socialist, anti-Semitic Arrow Cross party.

The whole Orban election campaign was based on anti-semitism. I mean he is clever enough not to say it in public, but when you do speeches surrounded by guys dressed in the unifroms of the Hungray's old national-socialist, anti-Semitic Arrow Cross party and blaming the invisible enemy that owns the whole world is there any question about what you are doing?

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“We are fighting an enemy that is different from us. Not open, but hiding; not straightforward but crafty; not honest but base; not national but international; does not believe in working but speculates with money; does not have its own homeland but feels it owns the whole world,” Orban said


https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/03/000_12L2QY-1-640x400.jpg

I wonder who'd be these invisible enemies referred by Orban? Alliens?

Plus the whole campaign was based on hatred against one Jew - George Soros. Some Hungarian Jews, in addition to Soros himself, find the campaign anti-Semitic:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-speech-hungarys-orban-attacks-enemy-who-speculates-with-money/

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Analysis Orban Blamed All of Hungary's Problems on a Jew – and Won, Big Time


https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-orban-blames-all-of-hungary-s-problems-on-a-jew-and-wins-big-1.5980517

What is your criteria for been anti-semit? The bar seems too low here.

If you ask does Orban has Chaplin moustache and does he started killing people - well not yet. But the rethoric is there.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 15 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank goodness we are leaving the EU, which has members like Hungary.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 15 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
The whole Orban election campaign was based on anti-semitism.

Based on what things that he's actually said?


Val wrote:
I mean he is clever enough not to say it in public

Oh, right.


Val wrote:
but when you do speeches surrounded by guys dressed in the unifroms of the Hungray's old national-socialist, anti-Semitic Arrow Cross party

Huh, is that so? I can't seem to find those distinctive uniforms in the context of "Arrow Cross Party". Are they secret?


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and blaming the invisible enemy that owns the whole world is there any question about what you are doing?

Sure. You can blame the Bilderberg Group without asserting that they're all die Juden.

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does not have its own homeland

Someone ought to let him know about Israel - he'll be apoplectic.

Val wrote:
I wonder who'd be these invisible enemies referred by Orban? Alliens?

The Bilderberg Group. Open borders pan-national anti-democratic globalist oligarchs. You know, like George Soros.

Val wrote:
But the rethoric is there.

You can't quote it, but you're sure it's there.

I can quote Orban saying "[A]t the time [WW2] we decided that instead of protecting the Jewish community, we chose collaboration with the Nazis. I made it clear to [Netanyahu] that this can never happen again. In the future, the Hungarian government will protect all its citizens."

There I go again, judging people on what they've actually said. Me and my crazy standards.

The reason I'm so sceptical is that much the same mud slinging is aimed at Nigel Farage, but when asked for quotes, it all comes down to "Well, you know. Everyone says."

Can you do better?
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 16 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Val wrote:
The whole Orban election campaign was based on anti-semitism.

Based on what things that he's actually said?



Based om what he is doing - anti-semitic election campaign.

Don't take my word for it, that is what Hungarian jews are saying:

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Hungarian Jews ask PM Orban to end 'bad dream' of anti-Semitism...


Some Soros billboards have been defaced with the words “stinking Jew” in magic marker.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-soros-orban-jews/hungarian-jews-ask-pm-orban-to-end-bad-dream-of-anti-semitism-idUSKBN19R24L

You need to be really thick to deny that Orban is using anti-semitism, racism and nationalism to get more votes.

Even he's used the same racist neo-nazi inspired poster that Farage has used:

https://i.imgur.com/zgKXtou.jpg

INB4 free speech for gawd sake - Inciting hatred using lies has nothing to do with free speech.


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Val wrote:
I wonder who'd be these invisible enemies referred by Orban? Alliens?

The Bilderberg Group. Open borders pan-national anti-democratic globalist oligarchs. You know, like George Soros.


Ermmm...ok

https://i.imgur.com/hp1OWYI.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 16 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Based om what he is doing - anti-semitic election campaign.

Anti-Soros is not anti-Semitic. I loathe Theresa May, consider her to be the worst prime minister since Chamberlain, and an anti-British traitor. Does that make me anti-Christian?


Val wrote:
Don't take my word for it

I won't have to, if you'd just quote Orban.

Can you?

Go on, just a teeny little quote about die Juden. That's the current topic for this thread hijack attempt, lest we forget.


Val wrote:
You need to be really thick to deny that Orban is using anti-semitism, racism and nationalism to get more votes.

Pfft, who needs evidence when accusations of nationalism are being bandied around.

He's most definitely a nationalist, and good for him.

A racist? islam isn't a race. He's fine with Middle Eastron Christians, especially hot ones.

Anti-Semitic? You still haven't shown a shred of evidence. How thick am I to not believe what you haven't demonstrated?

I'll assume you're tacitly admitting that your "Arrow Cross" slander above was fake news. But hate speech is justified in a good cause, right? I mean, if you can't accuse a non-Nazi of being a Nazi in order to stop them doing non-Nazi things, then the Nazis have already won.


Val wrote:
Even he's used the same racist neo-nazi inspired poster that Farage has used:

https://i.imgur.com/zgKXtou.jpg

Look out! That swarm of Jews is coming right for us!

Hijacking the hijack, is the wet progressive activist photographer who took that picture specifically as pro "refugee" propaganda also a neo-Nazi?

Is reality a Nazi? I suspect it might be. It would explain a lot.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 05 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

When are you fucking off from the UK?
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
When are you fucking off from the UK?


When are you getting off the crack?

Don't answer it's rethorical question Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Local elections 2018 total councillors seats Corbyn "win" compared to Blair landslide and the actual Cameron win:

https://i.imgur.com/xErlubi.png
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do answer my question because it wasn't rethorical or rhetorical. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 04:43 - 20 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guardian 19th May - Jeremy 'winning' again...


Tories take four-point lead over Labour in latest survey



Brexit supporters appear more pleased with Theresa May than remainers are with Jeremy Corbyn
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 20 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
Brexit supporters appear more pleased with Theresa May than remainers are with Jeremy Corbyn

Then they've not been paying much attention.

Unless there's another election coming up, polls mean nothing.

Comrade Corbyn's orders to the Inner Party on how to vote, and his ability to enforce them, are more of a concern.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 20 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Johnnythefox wrote:
Brexit supporters appear more pleased with Theresa May than remainers are with Jeremy Corbyn

Then they've not been paying much attention.


It's because the two-choice dichotomy, which people with double-digit IQs need, has been reduced to "Tories = Brexit; Labour = Remain", because, well, Tories are currently 'doing' Brexit, so that means Labour must want the opposite, because political opposites innit.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 21 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

John McDonnell on Al Beeb wrote:


In context. Not hyperbole. Overthrow capitalism. That's his job.

Al Beeb listens reverently and cuts the clip after he's leveraged Dead Beggar to justify beggaring the country.

But he continues (hat tip to Nazi News) on this theme.

"John McDonnell repeatedly and emphatically backed bringing down the UK’s system of free enterprise and trade in an interview with the BBC, as well as calling for private firms to hand over their profits to the state.

[...]

The interview moved on to the topic of Venezuela, which is currently facing economic ruin, riots, and massive food shortages despite possessing the largest oil reserves in the world.

Mr. McDonnell, however, praised the leadership of the nation’s former premier Hugo Chavez as showing how socialist policies can succeed.

Challenged [sic] by the BBC presenter Sarah Smith on the hyperinflation and shortages of medicine in Venezuela, he claimed socialism “went wrong” and could be done properly.

“No, I don’t think it was a socialist country. I think what happened was [Hugo] Chavez was developing policies which I think would first of all tackle the tragedy of the poverty that was in that country, raising literacy rates, and then investing in the economy, using their oil wealth to do that.

“I think it took a wrong turn when Chavez went. And I think unfortunately since then I don’t think they’ve been following the socialist policies that Chavez was developing.

“And as a result of that, they’re experiencing the current problems.”


How is this a real thing? This is the aspirant Chancellor talking to the State broadcaster, and they're nodding and simpering at his deranged ravings.

Venezuela Plus. Is that what you want? Socialism done right. Like Marx and Trotsky would have done it. Because under Corbyn / McDonnell, that's what you're going to get.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 26 Jun 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Long March of Corbyn's Labour (On Radio 4 iplayer). Yes they did 'go there' and called it "the long March". Heard about it with people complaining about anti-Corbyn bias on feedback.
It does still have plenty of the Corbynisters presenting their side - even if some of that may be a bit scary for those not in the inner/outer party.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 26 Jun 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
John McDonnell on Al Beeb wrote:


In context. Not hyperbole. Overthrow capitalism. That's his job.


Shocked Wut?!
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 26 Jun 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
Shocked Wut?!

He wants to overthrow capitalism.

The aspirant chancellor of the exchequer wants to overthrow capitalism.

Because a dead homeless, overthrow capitalism, create a socialist society. Venezuela Plus.

I know, right? And they came within a whisker of Downing Street.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 11 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

So many threads this could go go into but i think this is most appropriate.

So guess who just got promoted to shadow equalities minister.

The one & only Naz Shah.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhyCq5HW4AAMIMj.jpg:large

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44788629
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