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stevo as b4 wrote: | Turbo petrols drink very heavily when driven hard |
Yes, they did, but where do people still drive cars hard? Outside of car adverts, we live in a congested mess of 3rd world roads festooned with tax cameras and vans on every spot that might otherwise be fun.
If you're doing rep-man motorway miles, sure, go diesel, and fite a laser detector.
For the rest of us, a small petrol engine fitted with a small turbo, and driven with the boost mostly off apart from occasional brief spurts of acceleration does make sense.
I know two folk with Octavia 1.4 petrol turbos who reckon they're getting 40mpg+ in stop-start urban and over 50 on motorways, and the plural of anecdote is data. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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stevo as b4 World Chat Champion
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Posted: 02:04 - 02 Jun 2018 Post subject: |
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Roger, I get what your saying, and we are in the twilight hours of both being able to get around on the congested UK gridlock/road network, and in the dying days of ICE as well as being generally poorer in real terms with fuel costs and driving costs trying to persuade us off the roads.
The romanticism of the downsized engine filling all shoes, well at least bigger engine performance/ good mpg and most importantly allowing manufacturers to lazily meet CO2 limits with petrol engines for a few years longer. They've never claimed great sound tracks, or character or awesome drivability, as they hit those hurdles hard enough to flat face.
But back on point I had a Nissan micra 0.8L turbo for my holidays, and taking it on a spirited drive over dartmoor and bodmin with luggage, as well as short dashing around hilly cornish roads I was getting 34-37mpg. That's pathetic for the size of engine, but in an 1100kg car that has 1.3L+ performance and had to be worked hard, as well as an on boost turbo needing buckets of fuel for engine safety at WOT it's about right? And of course Nissan say about 64mpg average. It did show to me that it's easy to expose the limitations of a downsized engine.
Not for me really. I'll keep buying and owning older cars that I have the choice between high revving 16v screaming naps, sexy sounding smooth 6cylinder cruisers, or V8 thunder. And if I do have anything turbo it will have no considerations towards emissions (need to run em very rich aka cool) and a proper old school non electronic wastegate power delivery.
Oh and I'm very much of the if you've got the right usage and driving distances for them that diesels are still our friends too! |
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Oh noes!
I just bought a 2009 bmw 330d. Getting remapped next week which should see it near 300bhp.
It's main use is a 120 mile round trip once or twice a weekend. I get about 45mpg without trying before the remap.
I never go anywhere near a shcity on weekends.
I drive a diesel skoda company car which is just over 2 years old and on about 115k miles, so it's handy having a diesel personal car ( )
But it still sounds like I'm going to loose thousands of pounds in the next few days, break down every 20 minutes with dpf issues and never pass an mot again. Then eventually kill myself because I bought a diesel.
When/if the company changes from diesel vehicles I may change my weekend car. Many of these cars are uses in cities.
Until then I can't think of any 300bhp / 600nm of torque petrol cars that do 45mpg. ____________________ || Past: 1991 Kawasaki ZXR 250 ~ 2003 Honda CBR 600 F Sport ~ 2004 Kawasaki ZX6R B1H 636 ~ 1999 Yamaha R1 ~ 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R J ~ 2004 Kawasaki ZX6R B1H 636 ~ 1998 Honda VTR1000F Firestorm ~ K1 GSXR 600 Track bike ~ K6 GSXR 1000 ~ 2006 Speed Triple 1050 || Current: 2005 R1 https://www.adrucore.co.uk |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 323 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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