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Posted: 11:39 - 10 Jun 2018 Post subject: |
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Nukular is always dialled to 11, that's the whole point of it.
The significant part of that snapshot is that even though demand is as low as its ever going to get, we're still ripping through gas (and wood and Euronuke) like gangbusters.
And that's why solarwind is a bad joke, because we're always going to need all that fossil or nuke capacity in addition to the expensive ecomental generation. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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As for global warming, photographic evidence of the world from space provides compelling difficult to deny evidence. Examples include photographs of glaciers disappearing all over the world and long term decline in polar ice coverage. Linkages below.
https://blogs.agu.org/fromaglaciersperspective/
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I think I'll 'believe' radar and photographs from satellites rather than a short blog on the internet.. Which is data not beliefs. ____________________ Honda Varadero XL125 "Vara" > Kawasaki ER6F "Smerf" > Triumph Sprint ST 1050 |
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Mart_er6 wrote: |
I think I'll 'believe' radar and photographs from satellites rather than a short blog on the internet.. Which is data not beliefs. |
The 'short blog on the internet' uses data from MASIE as used by your source https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ |
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Mart_er6 wrote: |
I think I'll 'believe' the propaganda which suits my agenda rather than a short blog on the internet.. Which is factual but doesn't suit my agenda. |
I like how it was rebranded a few years ago from "global warming", when it was becoming obvious that global temperatures were actually in decline again.
"Quick lads, we can't call it "global warming" anymore, because it's getting colder again."
"How about "climate change"? That way, unless the climate stays perfectly stable, we can still use it as an excuse to plough on green taxes, whether it gets colder or warmer" ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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If I wrote a blog cherry picking Masie data would you believe that too? Perhaps all the photos of retreating glaciers I also linked to were photoshopped by the satellite software? ____________________ Honda Varadero XL125 "Vara" > Kawasaki ER6F "Smerf" > Triumph Sprint ST 1050 |
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Mart_er6 wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: |
CO2 is plant food.
CO2 is life. |
I don't think it's the plant food properties of CO2 the scientists are worried about.. |
What are they worried about? Rising temperatures will open up far more habitable land in the taiga regions than it will cause desertification near the equator.
Rising temperature is a good thing. Temperature is energy is life. CO2 is life.
We're not going to have a Venusian runaway greenhouse effects, since CO2 levels are still near an historic low point. They've been over 5,000ppm in the past, compared to a mere 400ppm now. In the previous glaciation period (we're still in an ice age, remember) levels dropped to 200ppm. Go below about 180ppm and all plant life on earth, and therefore all animal life on earth, just dies. Forever.
Burn, baby, burn. We need to get carbon back into the depleted biosphere as a matter of urgency.
Mart_er6 wrote: | Still, it suggests some investment opportunities; buy plots of land on Greenland and watch the value soar! |
Er, yes. Exactly.
Or if you're Al Gore, screech about rising sea levels, then buy ocean front property. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Lord Percy wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: | Burn, baby, burn. We need to get carbon back into the depleted biosphere as a matter of urgency. |
I think natural rates of evolution might have something to say about that. |
Do they have something to say that's comprehensible?
To be clear: I am against plastic, air and water table pollution; fertiliser run-off; clear cut forestry; drag net fishing, especially zappy nets (thanks, Brussels).
I am for putting CO2 back into the biosphere to help it out.
Lord Percy wrote: | What are your thoughts on the coral reefs which are dying everywhere and not replacing themselves? |
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Rogerborg wrote: |
To be clear: I am against plastic, air and water table pollution; fertiliser run-off; clear cut forestry; drag net fishing, especially zappy nets ( thanks, Brussels).
I am for putting CO 2 back into the biosphere to help it out.
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So you're against all the here-and-now things that can easily be remedied if things appear to have gone a step too far, but have no issue with dumping CO2 into the atmosphere at well-above-natural rates, which can't be reversed in any way once the step-too-far point is reached? |
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Lord Percy wrote: | So you're against all the here-and-now things that can easily be remedied if things appear to have gone a step too far |
Sure, aren't you?
Lord Percy wrote: | but have no issue with dumping CO2 into the atmosphere at well-above-natural rates |
What alien species raised CO2 levels to 5,000 ppm in the past?
Lord Percy wrote: | which can't be reversed in any way once the step-too-far point is reached? |
What alien species lowered CO2 levels from 5,000 ppm in the past to the near catastrophic 200 ppm that nearly ended all life on earth?
Let's throw that on the pile-o-doom, shall we? If all NASA shrieking to date had been accurate, we'd be chumming around with Kevin Costner on his boat, talking wistfully about Dryland.
Climate changes. We're still in an ice age, recall. The planet is, historically speaking, relatively cold and ice bound. From what we know of climate cycles, we're overdue a hard glaciation period, if we were to leave things to mother nature.
Personally, I've very glad that we're not. You get that slight warming is much better than the alternative, right? Wishing that we could keep everything locked to some arbitrary 1850's idyll is bizarre. Climate changes. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Itchy wrote: | See the more and more boat migrants thread. This is one of the consequences of such change. |
iPhones, tens of thousands of Eurodollah to buy passage, but those are the ones living in water poverty? OK, sure, they're fleeing from, not swarming to. It's fine, we'll just keep on punting them up to the Scandies.
Riddle me this: posit a 3 degree global drop in temperatures from the 1850 perfection point.
What would that look like? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 340 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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