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| Itchy wrote: | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44575929
So 2 years later WE'RE NOT BLUFFING!!!! |
It is embarrassing, isn't it? 
Someone should tell Fox, Boris et all that our busted flush is sitting face up on the table.
Until Treasona May goes, there cannot be a No Deal Brexit, which means there can only be a Bad Deal Brexit, which means there will not be a Brexit.
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Brextremists sound exactly like communists now.
All who disagree are traitors and enemy of the people.
Also let's nationalise Airbus and fuck the business.
Last time I have heard all that BS it has not ended well.
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| Val wrote: | Brextremists sound exactly like communists now. |
Because they believe in democracy over plutocracy? Is that communism?
Aside: how do you imagine that business will respond to an actual communist regime?
On topic: Good lad, Boris. About time it was said. Business had plenty of time and money to make its case before the referendum, and it did so, along with the State, and they failed to make that case, and they lost.
In a democracy, the people decide how they want their country to be, even if that comes with a cost. Not business, and definitely not foreign treasure seekers.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | In a democracy, the people decide how they want their country to be, even if that comes with a cost. Not business, and definitely not foreign treasure seekers. |
Exactly.
And businesses here aren't dictating anything they are REACTING to the changing environment they are trading in. Not the other way round as you're trying to make out.
Therefore they should actually CHEER these potential job losses as Flintshire voted to leave 56%.
Funny as it sounds it feels a lot like history repeating. Back in 1987 the public voted a majority conservative government with 376 seats a very clear majority.
One of the policies they ran with was the Poll tax. So they implemented it will of the people and all that in 1989. A little over a year there was rioting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_riots
Except they voted for it and the government was carrying out the will of the people.
That turned out well.
Oh and the Airbus story actually goes much deeper than port delays and barriers.
| Quote: | In July 2008, EASA issued its first Single Production Organisation Approval – and that was to Airbus fixed-wing manufacturing (https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-and-events/press-releases/agency-issues-first-european-single-production-organisation). Helicopters followed later (https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/02/easa-issues-single-production-organisation-approval-to-airbus-he.html). That means that Airbus is regulated directly by EASA (https://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86909). It will not be directly affected by Brexit. It will remain regulated by EASA even after we leave the EU – the UK operations voluntarily adopting EU law and control in order to work as part of the Airbus conglomerate.
The problem comes with the 215 (or so) production organisations in the UK approved by the Civil Aviation Authority (https://www.easa.europa.eu/download/poa/easa-apo.pdf), many of which will supply Airbus, including GKN engineering which does much of the wing fabrication under contract to Airbus. Once the UK leaves the EU and becomes a third country, in order to keep supplying Airbus, they must re-apply directly to EASA for approval. Until they have regained that approval, they will no longer be able to deliver parts or assemblies for use in aircraft certified by EASA.
The potential for disruption is obvious, not least as the industry is asserting that parts approved by the CAA currently fitted to such aircraft will invalidate their airworthiness certificates, preventing them being flown until the parts are replaced or revalidated.
As regards new, post-Brexit approvals, it is bound to take EASA a while to deal with the applicants, especially as they cannot actually apply until the UK is a third country. That would suggest that there is bound to be some discontinuity, with Airbus unable to continue manufacturing aircraft for an unspecified period.
Ironically, exactly the same message was delivered by the House of Commons Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Select Committee on 14 March of this year – only just over three months ago (https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmbeis/380/380.pdf). In a report entitled "The impact of Brexit on the aerospace sector", the consequences of leaving EASA were spelled out by the aerospace representative body ADS: |
Nutshell UK Airbus suppliers can't supply Airbus unless they are approved by the EASA. EASA approvals vary in length but may take up to 18 months.
Ok ok Super hard Brexiteers will now say the UK CAA will pick up the slack:
| Quote: | ADS went on to tell the Committee that the UK's CAA did not currently have the capability to take over the functions of EASA, and that "We have estimated a five- to 10-year period in order to even begin that process". Strikingly, the chief executive of the CAA has said that it is not undertaking any preparatory work for taking over the responsibilities of EASA, since "it would be misleading to suggest that's a viable option". |
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Since full membership of EASA is not an option, the only sure way we could achieve parity with the EU is to re-establish our own regulatory system and then adopt the same style of relationship with the EU as has the United States, via a Bilateral Aviation Safety Agreement – with the possible option of sub-contracting some of the regulatory functions to EASA , or joint certification of the nature undertaken by EASA and the FAA. |
See above 5-10 years.
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Interesting how a country that suddenly lost its largest trading partner (fear doom calamity) emerged from it as a much stronger and more efficient nation. 
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I see FIFA are reportedly (by the Telegraph, so may need a pinch of salt), getting involved in the silencing of support for leaving the EU now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/06/25/england-fans-warned-pro-brexit-chants-could-punished-fifa/
| Quote: | Fifa confirmed the Football Association would be sanctioned if Three Lions supporters were found in breach of its rules on “displaying insulting or political slogans in any form” and “uttering insulting words or sounds” during Thursday’s match in Kaliningrad.
Asked what would happen if pro-Brexit chants were sung against Belgium, a spokesman said: “Of course, there is a risk of some kind of punishment to the FA.”
Thursday’s fixture is the first between England and Belgium since the UK voted to leave the European Union two years ago, which has been followed by tough negotiations between Westminster and Brussels.
Given the seat of power in the EU is located in the Belgian capital, this week’s game could end up being seen as something of a ‘Brexit derby’. |
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As you know, I was highly skeptical that Brexit brings economic benefit to the British people. You know, inflation vs wage growth, tax hikes, the works.
Silly, silly me. It brought hundreds of millions of pounds in profit to the British people*!
*Those people are Nigel Farage pollster & hedge fund buddies, but still. They're British and they're in profit, so surely these are the Brexit riches Ordinary People wanted and voted for, right? |
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | As you know, I was highly skeptical that Brexit brings economic benefit to the British people. You know, inflation vs wage growth, tax hikes, the works.
Silly, silly me. It brought hundreds of millions of pounds in profit to the British people*!
*Those people are Nigel Farage pollster & hedge fund buddies, but still. They're British and they're in profit, so surely these are the Brexit riches Ordinary People wanted and voted for, right? |
You must have a very short memory.
on the lead up to the vote, the polls were leaking that it was going to be a remain vote, in response to that, the money men were pushing the pound up big time, the remainers friend Soros had alot of money on a remain vote, then when reality dawned, everyone started to short the currency and cashed in, money that is then taxed.
I recall a few people on this forum cashing in, so dont come with shit when your mate Soros cost the tax payer a couple billion which pushed us out of the ERM, as it works all ways.
Thanks.
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | As you know, I was highly skeptical that Brexit brings economic benefit to the British people. |
Is that because whilst in the EU, we apparently have record employment and record tax take, yet standards of living are still falling at a scary rate, housing is getting harder to afford and find, as are doctors appointments, access to education? Public spending is being capped or lowered and taxes are being raised for middle income earners to pay for the huge increase in part time workers, paying no or very little tax.
I'm just wondering, you know, if unrestricted access to our benefits system for the whole of Europe, is costing us more than uncontrolled immigration is helping us.
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