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PostPosted: 08:58 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: new law in France. Headsets. Reply with quote

As from 1st July, it will be illegal to use any hands free, earphones etc while riding or driving.
The only exclusions are fitted kits in cars, Bluetooth equipped helmets that are either factory fitted or the scala type.
A 135€ fine awaits offenders.

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Do not buy a headset to the phone in order to avoid holding it in one hand and the steering wheel or handlebars of the other, you may pay dearly! Indeed, from 1 July 2015, use a wired headset, Bluetooth or headphones while driving, be liable to a fine of 135 euros, and the loss of 3 points allowed.
This was announced Emmanuel Barbe, the Interministerial Delegate for Road Safety, during a press briefing at the Ministry of the Interior Place Beauvau in Paris, Thursday, June 18, 2015.

By bicycle or car ...
This measure, the plan of the 22nd Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve announced January 26, 2015, concern all users driving a land vehicle: truck, car, motorcycle, cycling, and to bike.
It will not even be possible to use headphones or a Bluetooth headset, the one that sticks to the ear. And this regardless of the device connected thereto. Even if it is not running, having the device to the ear will be considered an offense and the offender will be punished by the police. The "Bluetooth poor", ie the smartphone tucked under the helmet will no longer be allowed.

Bluetooth System to authorized headphones
The only devices to pass through the mesh are the Bluetooth headset integrated systems, as well as hands free systems to be installed in its four-wheeled vehicle. To decide, specialists in road safety have considered the helmet of a biker could be likened to the cabin of the automobile. The idea is that if the sound is broadcast in the cockpit, it is less dangerous if it reaches the ear directly.
It will always be possible to use a Bluetooth system, from the moment it is integrated in the headphones, whether by the helmet manufacturer directly, or added on as a kit.

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PostPosted: 09:26 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What makes Scala kits an exception?
The passage reads a bit like it has been translated by google, any properly integrated headset should be okay surely?

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It will always be possible to use a Bluetooth system, from the moment it is integrated in the headphones, whether by the helmet manufacturer directly, or added on as a kit.


I read this as if the headphone/speakers are permanently fixed/wired in to the lid then that's okay.
But if you have loose headphones plugged into your mobile then thats not? Surely these bloody idiots know
that half of us wear earplugs anyway or will they be the next thing to be banned by the revenue raising French?

Having not long come back from France, perhaps they should address the problem of people on 'big' mopeds brazenly riding
along while texting first. Seems more of a priority to me as I saw it every single time I took to the roads.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They really do epitomise the mandatory-or-prohibited culture that makes me loathe the the European experiment. Puke
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
They really do epitomise the mandatory-or-prohibited culture that makes me loathe the the European experiment. Puke
Saves on costly court time.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
They really do epitomise the mandatory-or-prohibited culture that makes me loathe the the European experiment. Puke
Saves on costly court time.

And that pesky old ECHR only protects against loss of liberty without a trial.

Did you know that since 2006 PC Englandshire has been able to collect "sureties" (roadside fines in all but name) from foreign drivers? As far as I can see, they've only ever been levied on commercial drivers. You can Visage-Livre le selfie of yourself weaving your 2CV the wrong way up the road at 100mph and be sent on your merry way with only a Tut Tut from Police. Can't see that happening across the channel.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: new law in France. Headsets. Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
As from 1st July, it will be illegal to use [s]any[/s] hands free, earphones etc while riding or driving.
The only exclusions are fitted kits in cars, Bluetooth equipped helmets that are either factory fitted or the scala type.
A 135€ fine awaits offenders.

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Motorcycle riders are an exception to this rule...the law does not allow earphones that are in your ear. Wireless headphones that are not plugged in your ear are allowed.
https://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/france-reminder-earphones-no-longer-allowed-on-motorcycles.htm


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PostPosted: 19:30 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it looks to me too that if you use a pair of headphones (or earplugs with speakers mounted in them) it is naughty, but if you have a headset wired into your helmet (speakers under the lining etc.) like an Autocom or Starcom1 system it will be OK as these are integrated into the helmet.

Would be interesting* to see the actual law.




*Interesting for some very small values of "interesting"
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any reasoning behind in-ear earphones being prohibited but integrated headsets being exempted? Seems to me they're more or less the same thing when you're on a bike.

More to the point, under a helmet how in the hell do they hope to identify a rider wearing earbuds? Even if they stop you they'd literally have to jump out in time to watch you remove your helmet since otherwise you could just tuck the buds into your jacket without them seeing.

Hope it doesn't catch on in the UK, I like listening to music in my earbuds while riding.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so you can wear earplugs while you have your Scala on and that's legal, but you can't plug your ear
with a speaker because that's not??
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Okay, so you can wear earplugs while you have your Scala on and that's legal, but you can't plug your ear
with a speaker because that's not??
Ce sont des conneries!


What about ear plugs with built in speakers? Thinking
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 25 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any in ear headphones are just that aren't they? (For the purposes of this discussion) Although I appreciate your point.
It's all bollocks really, when I play my drums I usually play along with music by other bands which I listen
to through headphones. Mainly to appease my poor neighbours.
Anyway, I get more shielding from the ambient noise my drums make when I wear full size over ear headphones
than I do if I wear ear plugs or earbuds so by that yardstick the french are talking merde. Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
They really do epitomise the mandatory-or-prohibited culture that makes me loathe the the European experiment. Puke


But this isn't anything to do with Europe. It's just France.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolute BS law .. as far as I can make out this is the safest way to use a GPS. The fact that there is a need to wear ear plugs to protect your hearing anyway kind of negates any benefit. Clearly whoever came up with this law has never ridden a bike. Mad

So as a foreigner in france now looking for campsites, what should I be using alternatively? Should I be looking at my GPS on the handlebar / tankbag instead of the road? Should I just tape my map open across the windshield? Question

So this effectively means we will need to install / buy in helmet speakers to get around the law, AND wear earplugs?? Or just risk it..
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.ffmc.asso.fr/spip.php?article4692
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And we in there? In principle, we are not affected by this measure that essentially target phone use while driving ... where the bikers that use intercoms, audio and GPS systems has not been considered by departmental officials who don ' there have not thought (they barely know it exists) by preparing talking points for their minister. The FFMC will challenge the services of the Ministry for details and before regulations are finalized.


https://www.ffmc.asso.fr/spip.php?article4932
Emmanuel Barbe, road safety minister:
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About kits "atria" motorcycle (strengthening the fight against the phone driving situation) on which we are appealing (action to his media statements), he admitted he had not thought of motorbikes specificities ( GPS, radio ...) and was cut on the fact that this measure is before taking office.


'WE DIDN'T THINK OF THAT'
Nice to know the care and consideration that goes into drafting new legislation. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^(entire tread and all the others involving the EU)
This is why I never go to foreignland, they're all raving mad, at least the ones who've conned their way in to positions of power are.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
They really do epitomise the mandatory-or-prohibited culture that makes me loathe the European experiment. Puke

But this isn't anything to do with Europe. It's just France.

And Europe is primarily run by and for the Franco-Prussian axis, as a Thousand Year Bureaucracy.

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PostPosted: 19:53 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised the french haven't banned the use of GPS's yet Rolling Eyes

How are they going to check and enforce the law? All police equipped with X-ray glasses?
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 13 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can kinda see why they wanted to do something even if the execution was piss poor. The amount of scooter riders I have seen texting and using phones while riding along and getting them out of pockets at lights to answer and not paying attention to the road.

Now we have laws that cover this already so it does not require more laws to add to it, but hey they have to earn their money some how Rolling Eyes

On another note I was two separate car drivers facetiming while driving on the way to work this morning, one hand on the wheel the other on the iphone pointing at themselves saying how cool they are.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

French are inventing more and more unusual laws Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 19 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore it, like the French will, Chances of being caught and fined for it would be a zillion to one, it'll go the same way as the hi-vis vest, the breathalysers and the helmet stickers....been riding here for eleven years, all year round, 12k pa, and never ever been stopped, and if you're on UK plates, they don't want the bother....
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 29 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only been to france once......not long come back actually.I was a bit concerned with going at all after the horror stories you hear about riding over there but we enjoyed it so much we are off again next year.
All the time we were there we only had one point of contact with the french police and that was when two motorcycle cops waved at us as we rode passed them.From my limited experience,they are'nt waiting for foreign drivers to go over so they can slap fines on them for no particular reason......just take the correct gear and go and enjoy it.
The previous poster seems to be in the know and from what I have seen so far i'd agree with what was said in their post.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 26 Jun 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
So it looks to me too that if you use a pair of headphones (or earplugs with speakers mounted in them) it is naughty, but if you have a headset wired into your helmet (speakers under the lining etc.) like an Autocom or Starcom1 system it will be OK as these are integrated into the helmet.

Would be interesting* to see the actual law.

That is how I have just read a translation of the Law, you can wear a helmet with headset built in or a headset fitted as an after market kit but they must not be touching your ears, so looks as if they have to be under the helmet foam.



*Interesting for some very small values of "interesting"
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 26 Jun 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrusaderPhil wrote:
bamt wrote:
So it looks to me too that if you use a pair of headphones (or earplugs with speakers mounted in them) it is naughty, but if you have a headset wired into your helmet (speakers under the lining etc.) like an Autocom or Starcom1 system it will be OK as these are integrated into the helmet.

Would be interesting* to see the actual law.

That is how I have just read a translation of the Law, you can wear a helmet with headset built in or a headset fitted as an after market kit but they must not be touching your ears, so looks as if they have to be under the helmet foam.



*Interesting for some very small values of "interesting"

Aaaaand finish the thought?
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 26 Jun 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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