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Look at the state of that £10 note, at least the new plastic ones wont do that . . |
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Meh, it was a couple of years ago that his phone was stolen and he hasn't managed to do anything about the byklaff scum yet so I wouldn't expect him to do anything now.
Part and parcel, etc etc, kill all byklaff, etc etc, only solution. |
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tony1951 wrote: | We are expected to act like sheep and run away and never to fight back. Take the example of the old guy that was robbed and stabbed by that Traveler villain a couple of months back he was arrested on suspicion of murder when he stabbed the burglar who had stabbed him first and the burglar died. |
That, and much else snipped, is not true.We all have rights, and may apply them. The recent film posted in the press of a "moped gang" in London:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXHRG0myfjE
shows the sort of thing that should happen. The police merely said "Members of the public helped".
The "old guy that was robbed and stabbed by that Traveler villain a couple of months back" was in fact Mr Richard Osborn-Brooks, who was not himself stabbed as far as we know, but did stab his assailant it seems with his own weapon, a screwdriver. Mr Osborn-Brooks was indeed arrested, quite rightly, so that the case could be properly investigated, which should happen, shouldn't it. When the facts were known, he was released, again, quite rightly. |
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WmY wrote: | Mr Osborn-Brooks was indeed arrested, quite rightly, so that the case could be properly investigated, which should happen, shouldn't it. |
Possibly, possibly not, for reasons that I explained at the time but would be happy to repeat again using shorter words and possibly finger puppets.
I'll cheer him on if he does the Met for wrongful arrest. Sadly, he's probably too decent a chap. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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WmY fuck off back to pistonheads you ponce ____________________ Beer, It's the reason I get up every afternoon
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WmY wrote: | tony1951 wrote: | We are expected to act like sheep and run away and never to fight back. Take the example of the old guy that was robbed and stabbed by that Traveler villain a couple of months back he was arrested on suspicion of murder when he stabbed the burglar who had stabbed him first and the burglar died. |
That, and much else snipped, is not true.We all have rights, and may apply them. The recent film posted in the press of a "moped gang" in London:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXHRG0myfjE
shows the sort of thing that should happen. The police merely said "Members of the public helped".
The "old guy that was robbed and stabbed by that Traveler villain a couple of months back" was in fact Mr Richard Osborn-Brooks, who was not himself stabbed as far as we know, but did stab his assailant it seems with his own weapon, a screwdriver. Mr Osborn-Brooks was indeed arrested, quite rightly, so that the case could be properly investigated, which should happen, shouldn't it. When the facts were known, he was released, again, quite rightly. |
Mr Osborne Brooks WAS stabbed with a screwdriver according to reports I read in the press and I believe were also carried on the BBC. UNLESS you know different, which might be possible.
A cursory scan of the internet now reveals no sign of that initial report, so if I am wrong about that, thanks for pointing it out. I didn't dream up that remark, it was going around at the time of the event. ____________________ 2016 Triumph Street Twin; 2000 Honda CG125; 1997 Honda Nighthawk CB250 |
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Rogerborg wrote: |
Possibly, possibly not, for reasons that I explained at the time but would be happy to repeat again using...finger puppets. |
Yes please ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Rogerborg wrote: | WmY wrote: | Mr Osborn-Brooks was indeed arrested, quite rightly, so that the case could be properly investigated, which should happen, shouldn't it. |
Possibly, possibly not, for reasons that I explained at the time but would be happy to repeat again using shorter words and possibly finger puppets. |
Go on, then. I have no idea what you "explained at the time", but I'd be extremely interested to hear your (concise) reasons.
Edit: Please, no, don't bother. I have read " https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=4547997#4547997 and onwards". There is no need to write any more.
It is right that Mr O-B was arrested, that's all there is to be said.
It is a great shame though that he feels he needs to move house, go incognito, etc. It's giving some sort of win to the scum who support the miscreant. |
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Super, I wouldn't want to waste a second load of pearls.
WmY wrote: | It is right that Mr O-B was arrested, that's all there is to be said. |
Ah, splendid. At last we have someone who has personal knowledge of what happened that night.
Since you were there, perhaps you could explain something to me.
After having spoken with him for several hours, and not having arrested him for the actions that he had committed, why did the arresting officer suddenly form a reasonable belief that he had committed a criminal act only at the moment when the pikey did the first decent thing in his life and stopped breathing? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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News from the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) wrote: |
MAG slams total absence of leadership in the war on motorcycle theft
This version: 2018-07-06
The Motorcycle Action Group has publicly condemned what it sees as a complete lack of leadership, understanding and vision by senior figures responsible for dealing with the epidemic of motorcycle and scooter theft. MAG has vowed to hold the government, senior police chiefs, and the judiciary to account for the deplorably weak response to this national issue. Director of Campaigns & Political Engagement, Colin Brown, has asked “Why is it that criminal gangs can demonstrate a better level of vision, organisation and adaptability than those whose job it is to protect us as law-abiding citizens?”
The national disgrace that is the ever-escalating lawless nature of this country has affected many areas of society. The motorcycling community is one that has been hit hard and yet it would seem is one that does not deserve the protection of the state. Few can have escaped seeing the news reports if not being directly affected by the lawless behaviour of gangs of criminals on stolen motorcycles and scooters. In London the very highly publicised attacks on members of the public and celebrities alike, with violence regularly featured, fill the newspapers. Less well reported nationally are the criminal gangs of anti-social riders that terrorise communities, placing people at risk of serious injury as they mount pavements and practice stunt riding on the public highways on a daily basis.
Colin said “Behind all this criminality is the epidemic of motorcycle theft that fuels and enables the behaviour. As I heard one wise police officer comment; ‘these people are not the type who go out to their local dealership to buy, register, tax and insure a motorcycle.’ We are not likely to be rubbing shoulders with them at a local charity run unless they are there to steal our bikes.
“Despite all the spin and Home Office Roundtable initiatives that claim to be dealing with the issue and even to having it all under control, the main point raised by the motorcycling community has still not been heard. The decision-makers have never ridden a bike and focus purely on the outrageous behaviour towards what they see as ‘normal’ people.”
MAG has a very simple solution to all the criminality: deal with the theft of motorcycles. Moped gangs would be reduced to being just gangs if they cannot source machines; anti-social riders can only be antisocial kids on foot if they are not riding bikes. Take away the new tool of their trade and they suddenly become less capable of breaking the law and far easier to apprehend.
Colin Brown went on to say: “The police are constantly asking for partnership-working due to the pressures on their resources, yet despite repeated offers they generally don’t want to work with us. We engaged with the Home Office Roundtable process but, again, despite repeated offers we were not actively engaged in any of the task and finish groups. The only people at the table with first-hand knowledge of the real face of motorcycle theft and the realities of what victims are suffering were excluded from the process. This has resulted in our view in a massive tick-box exercise that has not come close to tackling the problem.”
At the end of 2017 MAG attempted to collate details on the national picture, to understand the true face of the crime across the country. Freedom of Information (FOI) requests were sent to every police force in the UK. A simple question was asked: how many motorcycles have been stolen each year over the last 3 years? Shockingly 34% of police forces failed to give any response to the request, despite the fact that they have a legal obligation to do so. Three of the responding forces said that they did not record motorcycle thefts separately from other vehicle types, and could not therefore say how many had been stolen.
Colin Brown says “We are repeating this exercise with all UK police forces, asking how many motorcycles were stolen in 2017, how many were recovered, and how many criminals were charged with theft of a motorcycle. If we do not receive responses we will be referring those forces to the Ombudsman. We are also asking all local authorities how many secure motorcycle parking bays they provide, what their spending has been on secure parking infrastructure and what their budget is for 2018. From this data we will identify areas where there needs to be closer scrutiny, and we will then examine the response to the issue and planned action in that location. We will demand that independent advisory groups are set up to hold the senior officers and local authorities accountable. We will make our findings public and, where necessary, lobby local PCC’s and MP’s until action is taken.
“The time for platitudes, spin and box-ticking is at an end. We demand meaningful action and we demand it now.”
Contact MAG at 01926 844 064 or central-office@mag-uk.org
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Watch out, we got a FOIing badass over here.
They're going to hold the judiciary to account? Well, I'd certainly like to see it. How do?
The time for platitudes, spin and box-ticking is at an end. BCF demands meaningful action from MAG and we demand it now. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: | News from the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) wrote: |
MAG slams total absence of leadership in the war on motorcycle theft
This version: 2018-07-06
The Motorcycle Action Group has publicly condemned what it sees as a complete lack of leadership, understanding and vision by senior figures responsible for dealing with the epidemic of motorcycle and scooter theft. MAG has vowed to hold the government, senior police chiefs, and the judiciary to account for the deplorably weak response to this national issue. Director of Campaigns & Political Engagement, Colin Brown, has asked “Why is it that criminal gangs can demonstrate a better level of vision, organisation and adaptability than those whose job it is to protect us as law-abiding citizens?”
The national disgrace that is the ever-escalating lawless nature of this country has affected many areas of society. The motorcycling community is one that has been hit hard and yet it would seem is one that does not deserve the protection of the state. Few can have escaped seeing the news reports if not being directly affected by the lawless behaviour of gangs of criminals on stolen motorcycles and scooters. In London the very highly publicised attacks on members of the public and celebrities alike, with violence regularly featured, fill the newspapers. Less well reported nationally are the criminal gangs of anti-social riders that terrorise communities, placing people at risk of serious injury as they mount pavements and practice stunt riding on the public highways on a daily basis.
Colin said “Behind all this criminality is the epidemic of motorcycle theft that fuels and enables the behaviour. As I heard one wise police officer comment; ‘these people are not the type who go out to their local dealership to buy, register, tax and insure a motorcycle.’ We are not likely to be rubbing shoulders with them at a local charity run unless they are there to steal our bikes.
“Despite all the spin and Home Office Roundtable initiatives that claim to be dealing with the issue and even to having it all under control, the main point raised by the motorcycling community has still not been heard. The decision-makers have never ridden a bike and focus purely on the outrageous behaviour towards what they see as ‘normal’ people.”
MAG has a very simple solution to all the criminality: deal with the theft of motorcycles. Moped gangs would be reduced to being just gangs if they cannot source machines; anti-social riders can only be antisocial kids on foot if they are not riding bikes. Take away the new tool of their trade and they suddenly become less capable of breaking the law and far easier to apprehend.
Colin Brown went on to say: “The police are constantly asking for partnership-working due to the pressures on their resources, yet despite repeated offers they generally don’t want to work with us. We engaged with the Home Office Roundtable process but, again, despite repeated offers we were not actively engaged in any of the task and finish groups. The only people at the table with first-hand knowledge of the real face of motorcycle theft and the realities of what victims are suffering were excluded from the process. This has resulted in our view in a massive tick-box exercise that has not come close to tackling the problem.”
At the end of 2017 MAG attempted to collate details on the national picture, to understand the true face of the crime across the country. Freedom of Information (FOI) requests were sent to every police force in the UK. A simple question was asked: how many motorcycles have been stolen each year over the last 3 years? Shockingly 34% of police forces failed to give any response to the request, despite the fact that they have a legal obligation to do so. Three of the responding forces said that they did not record motorcycle thefts separately from other vehicle types, and could not therefore say how many had been stolen.
Colin Brown says “We are repeating this exercise with all UK police forces, asking how many motorcycles were stolen in 2017, how many were recovered, and how many criminals were charged with theft of a motorcycle. If we do not receive responses we will be referring those forces to the Ombudsman. We are also asking all local authorities how many secure motorcycle parking bays they provide, what their spending has been on secure parking infrastructure and what their budget is for 2018. From this data we will identify areas where there needs to be closer scrutiny, and we will then examine the response to the issue and planned action in that location. We will demand that independent advisory groups are set up to hold the senior officers and local authorities accountable. We will make our findings public and, where necessary, lobby local PCC’s and MP’s until action is taken.
“The time for platitudes, spin and box-ticking is at an end. We demand meaningful action and we demand it now.”
Contact MAG at 01926 844 064 or central-office@mag-uk.org
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Watch out, we got a FOIing badass over here.
They're going to hold the judiciary to account? Well, I'd certainly like to see it. How do?
The time for platitudes, spin and box-ticking is at an end. BCF demands meaningful action from MAG and we demand it now. |
When Ste makes his Hyper-Jump to Forum MOD (Speciality: Policing new member activity).
All will be well.
Mibby. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 314 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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