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PostPosted: 19:51 - 01 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll watch any race tbh, but yes F1 has been dull for a good few years.
I think they are taking steps to change the aero so cars can actually follow each othe and not lose so much grip.
Not a big enough step for me, if you must keep monaco but rid of every other street track on the calender and replace them with purpose built tracks.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 01 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with anyone who hates this silly firework thing at some meetings.
I can’t say that this stadium acrobatics with fireworks (stadium cross?) impresses me.
I’ve given up watching F1 now there are sooooo many rules restricting he cars and their power.
These days F1 seems a bit of a procession.

The most amusing motored racing I have ever seen was car + caravan racing Shocked Laughing , I larfed Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 01 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

One I do like is enduro - and I think it's all kinds of wrong that the vast majority of people (and a fair few bikers interested in bike-based sport) have never heard of Graham Jarvis.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 01 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed on Enduro racing, and especially that Romaniacs extreme enduro stuff. Its the mix of machinery, wildly different types of terrain, and the fact it's not pure trials or MX racing. Graham Jarvis is a boss and makes his Husky look like an Gas Gas txt. I think being an ex multiple trials champion makes him better suited to such events. They are very handy things modern Enduro bikes, and these Freeride type bikes must be very good at tight trialsy stuff and yet comfortable enough for loose faster terrain too.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 01 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Darts, snooker/pool/billiards, bowls, bowling, football, rugby league, wrestling, cage fighting, synchronised swimming, iron man, the list is exhaustive.

Sports:
Motorbike racing and naked women wrestling
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 01 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem with motor sport on terrestrial tv is that we never see the sports that would be fun to watch.
Supermoto race championships, extreme enduro, Scottish six days trial, Rally cross, Baja racing etc. Or even stuff like aircraft world stunt championships, and jet ski racing, or extreme snow mobile snow cross racing etc.

I think in many motorsports big money and big teams with huge budgets kills the fun. Say top fuel drag racing. Your going to have to be one of the top few teams with a huge budget to win.

But stuff like Street Outlaws no prep racing is fun to watch, and there's guys building or fixing their non road legal cars missing mortgage payments etc in order to try and win so they can pay off their debts. Its like gambling your house, car, bike just in order to be that No.1 spot at all costs. Plus anything that's illegal like racing on the public streets adds an element of fun and realism too.
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:

But stuff like Street Outlaws no prep racing is fun to watch, and there's guys building or fixing their non road legal cars missing mortgage payments etc in order to try and win so they can pay off their debts. Its like gambling your house, car, bike just in order to be that No.1 spot at all costs. Plus anything that's illegal like racing on the public streets adds an element of fun and realism too.


At least i'm not the only one with that guilty pleasure, it is strangely addictive
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What channel is that on?.......... I’ve got to get me that channel Thumbs Up Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old LC Pro-Am racing was good to watch. Cheap bikes wobbling all over the shop, elbows and knees bashing into other riders, pretty no-holds-barred stuff. People moan about riders in MotoGP who do dodgy passes on their opponents, but isn't that really part of what makes it exciting? I mean, if you knew nobody was ever going to crash, it would take a lot out of the enjoyment of watching, wouldn't it?
Safety. Like it or not, making a race series too safe kills a lot of the fun for spectators. We need some kind of gladiatorial race series Laughing

Trouble is, as soon as a new race class becomes popular, the money men move in and more rules get introduced, it all becomes expensive and the fun tends to leach away. Perhaps some sort of race series where the teams' budget is capped, but within that budget, they can do what they want?
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps some sort of race series where the teams' budget is capped, but within that budget, they can do what they want?


There have been a few motorsports start with that intent, 2CV endurance racing and lawnmower racing being two that spring to mind.

Finland (or is it Sweeden) has a race / rally series where there is a maximum cost that you can put into the car, this is not policed, however at the end of the season if anyone wishes to purchase your car for the set amount (the limit) you must sell it, this way if you put double the money into the car then you're likely to be racing against it next season.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's normally bike series along those lines:
Minitwins doesn't have a capped budget, but with a maximum of 72hp and limited modifications, it can't get too silly expensive.

Then stuff like 500s and desmo due are generally even cheaper.

And stricter series like the 675 series that ran where there was only a very limited set of modifications and you all used the same tyres etc too.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another vote for F1, haven't watched it for over a decade, utter bore fest with too many, convoluted, rules and way too many whinging prima donas!
All the other stuff that OGR mentioned I can have a laugh at, however I simply can't overcome the smug, pompousness of anything and everyone associated with F1.

I think WRC was the last time I watched any 4 wheeled motor sport, which wasn't too bad.

Prior to that I remember watching a European round of some touring cars, absolutely nothing happened after the start! The guy who won pulled half a dozen car lengths on second place, the rest of the field formed an orderly queue and drove round and round and round until the end, not one fcukin' overtake in the whole race. Apparently that's edge of your seat, thrilling, racing. Rolling Eyes


Oh... Cheers. Sad

I should say, I've no problem with anyone finding F1 dull to watch. It's been ok this season, IMO, and I quite like watching the race on the TV, but in real life I find it pretty tedious.

I get a ticket to Silverstone in my work benefits, and my wife works at the team too, so off we toddle (on the bikes - who wants to pay £50 to park?). As per my plan, we get there for the Red Arrows and leave before the podium ceremony and I still manage to get bored.

We're off to the Singapore GP later in the year. We paid for it as part of a holiday over in that neck of the woods. I'm hoping that the fact it's a novelty to me will make it interesting.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
There's normally bike series along those lines:
Minitwins doesn't have a capped budget, but with a maximum of 72hp and limited modifications, it can't get too silly expensive.

Then stuff like 500s and desmo due are generally even cheaper.

And stricter series like the 675 series that ran where there was only a very limited set of modifications and you all used the same tyres etc too.


There seems to be limited appeal to the punters though. What's missing?
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which motorsport leaves me cold? couple of them:

Snowmobile racing and Ice racing.



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PostPosted: 17:41 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:00 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nascar and Drag racing.

I'm sure both are a decent day out if viewed in person ( even cricket is surprisingly) but my god on TV they are dull.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nascar and Drag racing.

I'm sure both are a decent day out if viewed in person ( even cricket is surprisingly) but my god on TV they are dull.


Drag racing is definitely better experienced live and in person, especially where top fuelers are concerned. Take ear plugs though! And you can feel the sheer power of those mothers through the shaking ground. Very impressive live. But just watching them tear up the strip all day can get a bit tedious after a while. So you have a look around them, see how they're put together, have a chat with some of the racers about their machines, have a burger, go home.

I suppose it's worth remembering that racing isn't first and foremost about spectators. The point is to do it.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Drag racing, well RWYB and test&tune days are alot more fun to be at in person instead of the expensive British drag racing championships etc.

Marjay, I could watch Snowmobile racing or drag racing as theres probably at least 50% 2strokes and some pretty tuned ones at that. Then again the engine does not maketh the sport, as Chainsaw racing is dull to me and seems pretty pointless too.

I like the thought of these limited modification bike race series. Personally I've never seen a mini twins race, as it's not really televised? Stuff like this and the old Honda CB500 and CB600 race series sounded fun, and it promotes ordinary everyman Street bikes like I guess Pro Am did before my time. The PS 750 production race series also sounds like fun too. Its pre 1987? 750's and it means only four Japanese bikes are eligible. VFR, GSXR, FZ750, GPX750. Until the series became popular these were (Suzuki excepted) cheap old bikes to buy not yet hit by classic tax. Tyres, suspension, brakes and aftermarket exhausts are the only mods allowed so it keeps the bikes close in performance, and all of these bikes have won races in the series too.

I like Street Outlaws, despite all the American hard man talk and the staged thugs squaring up to each other talking the biggun, as it's more like a drama of who's car got impounded by the cops for testing on the road, who's motor blew up, and who can't afford the parts to fix their car in time for the next big money race.

This year I'm enjoying BSB far more than moto GP or WSB too. I
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 02 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Re: Drag racing, well RWYB and test&tune days are alot more fun to be at in person instead of the expensive British drag racing championships etc.


I think RWYB depends on what turns up at any given meet, assuming you're just going there to watch it. I can't see any particular thrill in seeing a bunch of strangers turn up on average road bikes to give it a go.
I got quite interested in them for a time when people like Bill Hunter and Dave 'Buzzard' Ennis were regularly competing, and it wasn't just about watching them run. It was interesting to see what mods they'd done between events, especially following Bill Hunter's GSX1100 go to turbo, then lengthened s/arm and eventually to a Spondon chassis. I got interested to see if he'd ever crack it into the 9s - can't remember if he ever did now, and I think once they got close to that level, they tended to graduate into more specialist classes.

The proper drag racers are worth going to see at least once, but unless you have something invested in it, I don't think it's something I'd go to very often.

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The PS 750 production race series also sounds like fun too. Its pre 1987? 750's and it means only four Japanese bikes are eligible. VFR, GSXR, FZ750, GPX750.


That harks back to the Transatlantic meets when Schwantz, Merkel et al scrapped at Brands and Donington, and the British MCN Superstock series of that time. That was enjoyable racing to watch live. And I had a GSXR750 and then the Yam FZ750, which made it more appealing still.
I'd like to see a race series with modern litre nakeds - the sports bikes are catered for in BSB and Supersport 1000, but i'd be interested in seeing things like the BMW s1000R, Honda CB1000R, Yam FZ1 etc going head to head - shades of Spencer and Lawson on CB900s and Z1000s Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 03 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
Perhaps some sort of race series where the teams' budget is capped, but within that budget, they can do what they want?


There have been a few motorsports start with that intent, 2CV endurance racing and lawnmower racing being two that spring to mind.



I don't remember the 2CV championship being that way, certainly when I was involved with it; my last year (91) the team that won it had absolutely the best of everything and was rumoured to have spent £10K on the car, when it was reckoned you could build a car from scratch for less than £2K, including the stupid expensive required roll cage.

Modifications were quite limited and, in those days, the base vehicles were plentiful and cheap (you were best to start with a motor that had done at least 85K, so it was nicely loose) but you could still spend, spend, spend, if you had a mind to.

As for racing that leaves me cold, it's actually mostly bike racing. MotoGP and it's associated series don't do much for me, nor does WSB.

I don't mind watching BSB and I have a love/hate relationship with speedway (I find the GPs quite watchable, but British league racing is so obviously fixed, it's a joke) and I used to spend a bit of time watching club racing, but it's not really my thing.

On the other hand, car racing of most sorts does it for me, probably because I've done a fair bit of it.

I do watch F1, but my favourites are BTCC and historic saloons; I'd be in my element at the Goodwood revival.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 03 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I should say, I've no problem with anyone finding F1 dull to watch. It's been ok this season, IMO, and I quite like watching the race on the TV, but in real life I find it pretty tedious.



I always tell people that are thinking of going to a GP, go on the Friday and Saturday to soak up the atmosphere (which is quite amazing) then go home and watch the race from the comfort of your favourite comfy chair.

Most tracks don't allow you a decent view of more than one or two corners, so even if you have a diamond screen in front of you, it's a stream of cars coming past you every two minutes, which is ditchwater dull.

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PostPosted: 09:05 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

f1 for me

its boring and after watching these cars go up a hill climb

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and then this one from last year the sound was dissapointing

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PostPosted: 10:55 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
One I do like is enduro - and I think it's all kinds of wrong that the vast majority of people (and a fair few bikers interested in bike-based sport) have never heard of Graham Jarvis.


Watching people like Graham Jarvis and Dave Knight doing their thing on the rough inspired me to try and think like them while riding in enduros,especially when a tough section loomed ahead of me.There was no way that I could ever be at their level,but just watching them and their ilk riding on very difficult terrain was a lot more fun than even track racing.

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Dirt%20bikes/MyXR400018.jpg~original

Totally agree 100% about any car racing and especially F1 (except the occasional view of the Monte Carlo round,but even that has got mega boring nowadays)
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 25 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

what was the crumby cable channel back in the day? Live TV was it? Really awful, almost zero content.
But, it had banger racing, and I watched that and really like it. More fun watching them smash each other up than f1.
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 25 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went to watch DirtQuake the other weekend - much much fun. F1 still dull.
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