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Regarding ADSL/VDSL - No cable here just yet, it's still being buried.
If you want truly decent, then Zen is a good one to look at. Been around donkeys years, and customer service is top-notch.
Plusnet, last time I looked, were feeling the pressure from BT (Who own them) to make more money, customer support went to shit about the same time, draw your own conclusions.
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That last sentence may well be the case, but you're still discounting the couple of km of copper between the local street cabinet and the exchange. |
What about that 2nd paragraph where I explain why I'm drawing what seems an unfair comparison?
Just to make it clear:
mpd72 CPT wrote: | chrisw wrote: | Wouldn't touch Talk Talk if they were the only supplier left, I'd rather eat the phone cables for entertainment.
Stuck in a deal with them at the moment (badged as the 'Post Office') for another couple of months with internet down to a few Mbs, regular drop outs and complete indifference from their support teams.
It's probably OK if you don't have any problems, but they are always rated worst for customer service.....because they are the worst at customer service. |
Which is more likely down to your phone line, which will remain unchanged no matter what ISP you use. Plug another router into the test socket behind the face plate, with a new filter and test again with Ethernet connection.
Like I said, the vast majority of issues are down to the line quality and distance from the exchange, not the ISP at the other end of it. If it;s that bad with one ISP, it won't suddenly be cured by switching to the same service, through the same phone line, with another ISP. |
So I have the same phone line, yes it terminates a little sooner (I'm very close to our exchange) but everything else is the same even down to the filter. I'm well aware of the difference in the services, the whole point is that the same last-mile hardware is perfectly capable of providing a reliable, fast service. |
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You could have a line fault at any point in that run of copper.
High resistance fault, earth fault, water ingress, battery contact fault, loop fault, jointing problems.
Yes stuff like internal wiring, bell wires, bridge tap won't go away by moving to FTTC. But getting rid of a whole chunk of it you get rid of a load of potential problems. And it is possible any of those problems crept in after your move to them.
TTB's core network isn't overly bad really, I have no idea what if anything they tried to do to sort your line out, but if you ever want to ruin several weeks of your life though try proving to BT Wholesale that they have a hot spot in their network. Hopefully you don't get that over time with your Plusnet connection.
ps I'm ISP agnostic (I'm even nice about Openreach some times), I have a hand in a couple of them. They all have their individual quirks/faults. |
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No shit, Sherlock! The point is that the lines in the house (and within the street) are of a quality capable of carrying a service significantly higher than the TalkTalk service. I'm well aware of what the difference between ADSL and FTTC is.
The background was that BE, O2, Sky and BT had all provided ADSL services down those lines at significantly higher speeds and with greater reliability than TalkTalk could manage. If they failed at that, why on earth would I choose them when I upgrade my service? |
You're using a different line Sherlock, so drop the sarcasm.
Instead of using crusty 50 year old copper cable from the exchange, you're using fibre to the cabinet at the top of your road. Why blame TalkTalk, just because not using the same line and using fibre instead with a different provider makes it quicker?
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I know enterprising souls who have got a fibre leased line in and then used a switch to split it out, but you do take a bit of risk in doing so (mainly financial). Plus with a lot of these things no-one wants to be the first to commit and waits for everyone else to get on board, so it's easily ends up as all talk and no action.
Community fibre project wise, I'm always slightly suspicious of them long-term because whilst the Openreach model isn't perfect, you have market competition and can switch providers easily.
The Universal Service Obligation you mention is coming, though it's not entirely clear how it is going to be met. Openreach's trial of long range VDSL trial closed down the other month and was relatively unsuccessful, basically it would have extended the FTTC type technology to people like you.
My personal beef with the USO concept is it's easy for the government/Ofcom to mandate it, yet only Openreach will seemingly be obliged to deliver it - but are also expected to act in competition with the likes of Cityfibre, Hyperoptic and Gigaclear. Which is why people like you get left out of fibre rollouts, because they look at a spreadsheet, work out if the investment in rolling out fibre is worth it and decide against it.
A bit of a rant there, but it's a complicated industry and it's frustrating to be in it and know that people with poor connections are frequently left behind, whereas those with reasonable ones continue to get better connections even though the current one is adequate - I'm in a semi-rural area and get decent FTTC, yet I suspect my cabinet will get upgraded for g.fast in the next year or so, taking my potential speeds from 70Mb/s to something in the range of 200-300Mb/s. I don't need it, but it'll be made available. |
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I don't want him to get his hopes up when it's not as straightforward as new articles make it sound.
Saying that, his house shoulds like one of the easier ones to get fast broadband to since it's not in the middle of nowhere. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 219 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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