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Any well maintained VAG 1.9TDI from the 2001-2009 ish era. Thus avoiding DPF technology. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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Remap. My Skoda Fabia vRS used to achieve 60mpg with a little careful throttle. Couldn't get it below 40mpg even literally
ragging the clutch out of it tbh. There's the SDI which is the same lump minus the turbo and 60mpg is a minimum in one of
those. I could fill up in Bristol and the needle not even start to move until I reached the M25, my wife had one. The way she
drove it it saw high 70'sa lot of the time, I think she thinks nothing can comfortably rev past 3k. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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I don’t see why people get so hung up on mpg.
The cost of buying and maintaining a £4-5k second hand diesel approaching 100k will probably exceed any fuel savings over an equivalent petrol car.
With the mileage I do, petrol cars are more reliable, cheaper to buy and nicer to drive.
Just picked up an 88,000 mile S Type 3.0 V6 Sport R Jag for £750. It’s practically mint and came with 12 months MOT. It had been garaged and not driven for 8 of the last 10 years as the owner is now too old to drive. It’s a lovely drive and has a nice spec.
I’ve spent a couple of hundred giving it a service, adding Bluetooth handsfree, DAB and Iphobe streaming, plus fixing niggles like the parking sensors and a slight misfire on one coil pack. Other than an AC top up, all the toys work.
It does 35 mpg on a run and averages almost 30 mpg overall. It has never failed an MOT and has only had advisories on slight cracking on the old front tyres. It is solid, with no rust at all and should pass MOT’s for several years to come with no serious work needed.
That would have to be one hell of a diesel to compete for cheap luxury motoring at that price, 35mpg or not. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | I don’t see why people get so hung up on mpg.
The cost of buying and maintaining a £4-5k second hand diesel approaching 100k will probably exceed any fuel savings over an equivalent petrol car.
With the mileage I do, petrol cars are more reliable, cheaper to buy and nicer to drive.
Just picked up an 88,000 mile S Type 3.0 V6 Sport R Jag for £750. It’s practically mint and came with 12 months MOT. It had been garaged and not driven for 8 of the last 10 years as the owner is now too old to drive. It’s a lovely drive and has a nice spec.
I’ve spent a couple of hundred giving it a service, adding Bluetooth handsfree, DAB and Iphobe streaming, plus fixing niggles like the parking sensors and a slight misfire on one coil pack. Other than an AC top up, all the toys work.
It does 35 mpg on a run and averages almost 30 mpg overall. It has never failed an MOT and has only had advisories on slight cracking on the old front tyres. It is solid, with no rust at all and should pass MOT’s for several years to come with no serious work needed.
That would have to be one hell of a diesel to compete for cheap luxury motoring at that price, 35mpg or not. |
Hope you looked under the cills for rust before buying, they're notorious.
Agree, mpg is not the be all and end all - dpf, dmf, egr, intake vanes etc are all bolt on shit that's killing diesel reliability, that's before you get into megabucks for any high pressure fuel pump or injectors.
It all depends on planned mileage, unless I'm mistaken it's still not been provided by the op.
For now anything v8, or petrol turbo with the boost cranked to the max, life is too short driving boring crap around. ____________________
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Hong Kong Phooey wrote: | mpd72 CPT wrote: | I don’t see why people get so hung up on mpg.
The cost of buying and maintaining a £4-5k second hand diesel approaching 100k will probably exceed any fuel savings over an equivalent petrol car.
With the mileage I do, petrol cars are more reliable, cheaper to buy and nicer to drive.
Just picked up an 88,000 mile S Type 3.0 V6 Sport R Jag for £750. It’s practically mint and came with 12 months MOT. It had been garaged and not driven for 8 of the last 10 years as the owner is now too old to drive. It’s a lovely drive and has a nice spec.
I’ve spent a couple of hundred giving it a service, adding Bluetooth handsfree, DAB and Iphobe streaming, plus fixing niggles like the parking sensors and a slight misfire on one coil pack. Other than an AC top up, all the toys work.
It does 35 mpg on a run and averages almost 30 mpg overall. It has never failed an MOT and has only had advisories on slight cracking on the old front tyres. It is solid, with no rust at all and should pass MOT’s for several years to come with no serious work needed.
That would have to be one hell of a diesel to compete for cheap luxury motoring at that price, 35mpg or not. |
Hope you looked under the cills for rust before buying, they're notorious.
Agree, mpg is not the be all and end all - dpf, dmf, egr, intake vanes etc are all bolt on shit that's killing diesel reliability, that's before you get into megabucks for any high pressure fuel pump or injectors.
It all depends on planned mileage, unless I'm mistaken it's still not been provided by the op.
For now anything v8, or petrol turbo with the boost cranked to the max, life is too short driving boring crap around. |
I’ve been underneath it last weekend. It’s completely rust free. It’s also a lightweight version and has a lot of aluminium underneath, which looks different to videos I watched on YouTube to get tips about replacing the heater control valves. This might sound daft, but the side windows appear to be made of some sort of plastic, not glass too. I noticed when I saw an odd scratch, which you wouldn’t get on glass.
Looks like the old boy kept it garaged and it’s spent 8 years not even being used. The engine bay way coated in cobwebs! ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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What you need is a cruiser for motoway miles
My mum has an i30 and she loves it. Her review is nothing to go by though, hers is automatic.
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Don't pay more now to pay less then. That never works.
Any 1.9TDi (pre-DPF) will do 60mpg, there are also crap loads of spare parts, every single mechanic in Europe (UK included, I suppose) knows how to keep these going + the amount of online tutorials and service manuals around means you can do most of the maintenance and repairs yourself. The spare parts are also ubiquitous and fairly affordable.
Audi is luxurious enough, if you don't like the slavic Skoda, or blue collar VW cars. Seat is somehow right in between all those, yet I would advise you not to get one, as that is the only car in the VAG 1.9 TDi lineup, that has many, many Seat specific parts, that are not that easily obtainable. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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RhynoCZ wrote: | Don't pay more now to pay less then. That never works.
Any 1.9TDi (pre-DPF) will do 60mpg, there are also crap loads of spare parts, every single mechanic in Europe (UK included, I suppose) knows how to keep these going + the amount of online tutorials and service manuals around means you can do most of the maintenance and repairs yourself. The spare parts are also ubiquitous and fairly affordable.
Audi is luxurious enough, if you don't like the slavic Skoda, or blue collar VW cars. Seat is somehow right in between all those, yet I would advise you not to get one, as that is the only car in the VAG 1.9 TDi lineup, that has many, many Seat specific parts, that are not that easily obtainable. |
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B5234FT wrote: | RhynoCZ wrote: | Don't pay more now to pay less then. That never works.
Any 1.9TDi (pre-DPF) will do 60mpg, there are also crap loads of spare parts, every single mechanic in Europe (UK included, I suppose) knows how to keep these going + the amount of online tutorials and service manuals around means you can do most of the maintenance and repairs yourself. The spare parts are also ubiquitous and fairly affordable.
Audi is luxurious enough, if you don't like the slavic Skoda, or blue collar VW cars. Seat is somehow right in between all those, yet I would advise you not to get one, as that is the only car in the VAG 1.9 TDi lineup, that has many, many Seat specific parts, that are not that easily obtainable. |
Also, none of them will actually do 60mpg as a long term average |
Real 60 mpg? Doubt it. The OBC saing 60 mpg? Yes they do. Toledo Mk2, Octavia Mk1 and Mk2 and I haven't seen many other VAG cars that closely. But they all look the same, weigh pretty much the same and have exactly the same engine and gearbox.
It's all about the driver. And how well the OBC is adjusted. Just with a quick OBDII action you may mess with the numbers however you want, that however won't make it real mpg.
OP doing 90% of driving on the motorway, if he keeps his speed reasonable (they say no more than 110 km/h = 68.75 mph, that's where the fuel economy goes to the crapper quickly), he'll get 60 mpg quite effortlessly. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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RhynoCZ wrote: | B5234FT wrote: |
Also, none of them will actually do 60mpg as a long term average |
Real 60 mpg? Doubt it. The OBC saing 60 mpg? Yes they do. Toledo Mk2, Octavia Mk1 and Mk2 and I haven't seen many other VAG cars that closely. But they all look the same, weigh pretty much the same and have exactly the same engine and gearbox.
It's all about the driver. And how well the OBC is adjusted. Just with a quick OBDII action you may mess with the numbers however you want, that however won't make it real mpg.
OP doing 90% of driving on the motorway, if he keeps his speed reasonable (they say no more than 110 km/h = 68.75 mph, that's where the fuel economy goes to the crapper quickly), he'll get 60 mpg quite effortlessly. |
Sod reading the box of lies on the dash, for budgeting purposes what matters is the real figure, in the long term. Calculated as a long term average over the 100,000+ miles I've driven in them, in a huge range of conditions, you're only seeing a true 60+MPG at 65mph on a traffic free motorway if you start the journey with the car already warm.
Sure, I've done 200 miles at 60mpg following a fill on the motorway in the middle of the night, but as a long term tank average on a car used for commuting (i.e. starting from cold and seeing traffic) it's never going to happen. More like 52/53. And before you say it's all about the driver, I agree, however with 2500 hours practice, I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesn't.
You'd be foolish to budget based on 60mpg for the OPs purposes, aim for 50 and keep 5% in hand. |
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