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Posted: 09:18 - 24 Sep 2018 Post subject: Time for a change - recommend me a new bike |
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Recommendations please
Time for the KTM to go bye-bye - I still love it, but I fancy a change. Problem is I don't know what the hell to replace it with.
What I like about it:
Upright and all day comfortable.
Fast within reason.
Handles well.
Great brakes.
Good wind protection.
Naughty engine when you want to be on it.
What I don't like about it:
Bit tall even for me at 6ft.
Aggressive throttle mapping / snatchy fuelling when you want to just get somewhere.
Everything is expensive and it's been a bit of a problem child without actually having anything major go wrong .
It's the thirstiest bike I've ever had .
What I want from a new bike:
Decent amount of comfort - no race-bikes; can be a bit leany forwardy but I'd rather more upright.
100+ BHP because reasons.
Good brakes / handling.
Ideally under 200kg.
Something interesting - I'm not going to get excited by a VStrom.
No problem childs.
Under £7k top end of budget.
So far I've been thinking Monster 821 and that's about it.
Any recommendations?
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Nope, no recommendations from me. I'm happy with what I've got :smug: ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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DrDonnyBrago wrote: | I've been on the lookout for something upright, interesting and a bit hooligan which seems to mirror a lot of your criteria. With your budget I'd be looking at these, with the ducatis thrown in because you mentioned the 821:
£7k will get you:
~2014/15 speed triple R
~2012/13 V4 R tuono
~2015/16 Z1000. There is a Z1000SX if wind protection is your thing.
~2014 BMW S1000R.
~2012 ducati 1098 streetfighter
~2014 ducati 848 streetfighter |
That's a nice list. I'd be up for trying the Tuono first. If nothing else, it'd be interesting to work through a series of test rides on them all.
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You know what I'm going to say. 7k put a brand new MT09 in my shed. I have to say the very latest ones have many
goodies mine doesn't have including Traction control, LED headlight, quickshifter, improved suspension and a slipper
clutch which I'm sure make it much more civilised than the earlier ones.
190 kg, 1**bhp, upright, sounds insane (as you know) with a nice exhaust. Go try one out if you haven't already.
Fretgrinder has one of the latest ones so he could answer any specific Q's about the newest variant. Perhaps the TRACER
version would suit you better if you need all day riding with wind protection too. Main thing is they all have that engine.
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grr666 wrote: | You know what I'm going to say. |
People shouldn't be shy about suggesting what they themselves own. After all, they can speak from experience.
I would suggest my own bike, but only really after spending the money to do the mods I have done, and it'll still be too heavy for the OP.
Otoh, it'll still be a good bit cheaper than most things ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I want one, but no idea why... |
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Paddy. wrote: |
I want one, but no idea why... |
It doesn't seem to make much sense on paper, but...but... ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Paddy. wrote: |
I want one, but no idea why... |
Because it's a bit of a silly idea and so that means it's a good idea? |
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Polarbear wrote: |
How many bikes make sense? |
Depends on what you want to do with what bike I suppose. But affairs of the heart require no recommendations.
It speaks of brute power, but hanging you out in the full force of it, to cling on for dear life.
Can I have mine with a turbocharger please?
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Posted: 17:49 - 24 Sep 2018 Post subject: Re: Time for a change - recommend me a new bike |
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Ste wrote: | Tell that to arry.
arry wrote: | Ideally under 200kg. |
The B King is only about 25kg heavier than the KTM 990 so it deserves a place on the short list of things to maybe get a test ride on.
It might be a little bit heavy but it more than makes up for that with power and road presence. |
arry wants his cake and eat it, and then have more, and eat that too, and still have some left for later.
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stevo as b4 wrote: | Are you staying with twins, or would you like a triple or an IL4 for the next bike. You say upright and around 200kg, but does it need a screen or even a fairing, and do you want to be able to easily carry hard or soft luggage?
Is it a bike to go touring and exploring on, or just a Sunday morning adrenaline rush?
How much handling do you want say compared to the KTM, and do you need bling or tart factor like Ohlins, fancy wheels Radial Brembos etc?
And finally is sound important or not? And will you be running it on a stock or a noisy aftermarket pipe? I ask this as some bikes often certain IL4's sound bloody awful or un-liveable with with a noisy pipe.
I know you've got the Enfield, but do you want some retro style and looks, or something that's got lots of electronics to play with? |
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Thanks all - appreciated
Donny wrote: | £7k will get you:
~2014/15 speed triple R
~2012/13 V4 R tuono
~2015/16 Z1000. There is a Z1000SX if wind protection is your thing.
~2014 BMW S1000R.
~2012 ducati 1098 streetfighter
~2014 ducati 848 streetfighter |
Good shouts
The Speed R I fancy trying (I have ridden an old round headlight Speed some years ago and thought it was a hoot) and its only negative for me is that I've had that engine before in the Sprint - that's not necessarily a bad thing, as I did love that lump, but as for something different, it's got familiarity.
Tuono definitely interests me but I've heard some bad reports of reliability and there's not a dealer anywhere near me that would be able to take care of it; I don't fancy swapping something potentially problematic for something potentially problematic - but it's one to try out for sure.
Z - not for me; I just don't fancy that for some reason. Doesn't excite me.
The BMW I hadn't considered and TBH didn't even know existed. That's actually a good shout. It's an ugly bugger to me, but I'm not that taken aback by looks (I'm an ugly fecker myself ) so I can deal with that. On the list.
The Streetfighters are definitely also on the list. They tick boxes for sure.
grr wrote: | You know what I'm going to say. |
Yup and I have to say it's hard to argue with the logic - but I am struggling to find myself excited by it. That'll probably change when I ride one. I shall try to get a test ride.
Landy wrote: | Gsx-s 1000f ?
Does most of what you want. Great bike, I have the naked version |
I'm sure it's a great bike, but the prospect isn't making me fizz behind the dick I'm afraid
Polar wrote: | Right outside the box, what about a Suzuki B King. |
I do quite like them but they're a land whale and I've got a bit of a gimpy shoulder that makes moving things around at a stand-still a real PITA. Too heavy for me I reckon
Kentol wrote: | Kawasaki z900rs? aprilia 900 shiver? cb1000r is very good |
Z900RS does look good - liked it at bike show launch. Not sure they can be had in budget, though? Will look. Shiver, not too keen. Didn't like the 750 particularly. CB could be interesting - will look that one up too.
stevo wrote: | Are you staying with twins, or would you like a triple or an IL4 for the next bike. You say upright and around 200kg, but does it need a screen or even a fairing, and do you want to be able to easily carry hard or soft luggage?
Is it a bike to go touring and exploring on, or just a Sunday morning adrenaline rush?
How much handling do you want say compared to the KTM, and do you need bling or tart factor like Ohlins, fancy wheels Radial Brembos etc?
And finally is sound important or not? And will you be running it on a stock or a noisy aftermarket pipe? I ask this as some bikes often certain IL4's sound bloody awful or un-liveable with with a noisy pipe.
I know you've got the Enfield, but do you want some retro style and looks, or something that's got lots of electronics to play with? |
Good questions. Let's break that down.
I've had a single, a parallel twin, a V twin, a triple and an IL4 now - V4 hasn't been had but then I guess there's not many of them. I don't mind which is next, TBH, any flick my switch.
It doesn't really need a screen but a small bit of wind deflection would be welcome. It is a bike to go 'touring' on but I only do UK trips really - I think I could put up with a naked for that. As long as I can get some throwovers or my 60L rolltop bag on it, or my Kreiga on there that'll be fine. It does also need to tick the Sunday morning blast box.
I don't need bling but I do like a well balanced bike with good brakes - it's one of the reasons I don't like excess weight as that kills both of those things for me.
Prefer intake noise to exhaust noise and I'm not the kind to stick a loud can on.
Looks wise I'm pretty open. I don't need retro, I don't need modern. Either or is absolutely fine.
Good suggestions coming out of here - thanks guys, it's given me a lot to go on |
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