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The truth reveals itself. Ok so OP is mechanically curious, likes a tinker and has a notion that riding a bike on the right day could be fun. The 125 is probably because of lack of need as well as lack of budget.
I'd have to agree with the Teffing you got, and wait until the spring weather is here and you find enough time and cash burning a hole to get yourself along to a CBT course. Nothing more than that, no buying gear or projects or looking for a carbed 125 until you've got a pass cert in your hand.
It sounds like you've got more than enough projects on the go, and a great way to bleed away cash into a hole (car project/non std engine re-build). That project alone will use up your spare time and cash and it'll have teething problems and unforseen expense when done or things that'll break and need replacing modifying or strengthening etc.
Im seeing my own similarities here, and three projects, a house/garden and work, excersise and social life uses up all the time I have and more. I actually sometimes yearn for a new std bike to ride and take to a dealer for servicing. I do mountain biking and I don't even service my mtb myself as im too busy to have bikes in bits in the house etc.
I see your modern style averse too, and the CG is a semi classic design that is visually and simplistically appealing to you.
But you like many absolutely don't need a motorbike in your life to get you places, to earn a living or allow you to get out where theres no other way of getting around.
Therefore if and when you've done CBT next year and hopefully got your 4wheel money pit to a more complete but never finished state, and if CBT makes you want to ride a bike and not give up, it's 50/50 for many people who think they want a bike by the way. Then if your still classic bike and 125 eager to proceed then you can look for a used running bike in the style you like and do these little bits and bobs to depending on if yoif it's the riding that interests you more than the tinkering.
I'd possibly forget being transfixed on any make and model, and look for a classic style bike you like that's running well enough to use but could be tided up over time.
Seeing as you have no need for a bike and arnt going to get all whipped up about mpg and fuel tank sizes etc, then a classic 100-125 two stroke roadster would be just as good as a CG.
Not that you can make it necessarily better or faster for pennies, but it's a simpler job to fix or re-build an engine and old strokers reward being carefully fettled and have everything set up exactly as it should be in the manual.
Just adding some alternatives and a wider net to cast compared to trying to hunt down a CG in the spec and style you want. |
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stevo as b4 wrote: | The truth reveals itself. Ok so OP is mechanically curious, likes a tinker and has a notion that riding a bike on the right day could be fun. The 125 is probably because of lack of need as well as lack of budget.
I'd have to agree with the Teffing you got, and wait until the spring weather is here and you find enough time and cash burning a hole to get yourself along to a CBT course. Nothing more than that, no buying gear or projects or looking for a carbed 125 until you've got a pass cert in your hand.
It sounds like you've got more than enough projects on the go, and a great way to bleed away cash into a hole (car project/non std engine re-build). That project alone will use up your spare time and cash and it'll have teething problems and unforseen expense when done or things that'll break and need replacing modifying or strengthening etc.
Im seeing my own similarities here, and three projects, a house/garden and work, excersise and social life uses up all the time I have and more. I actually sometimes yearn for a new std bike to ride and take to a dealer for servicing. I do mountain biking and I don't even service my mtb myself as im too busy to have bikes in bits in the house etc.
I see your modern style averse too, and the CG is a semi classic design that is visually and simplistically appealing to you.
But you like many absolutely don't need a motorbike in your life to get you places, to earn a living or allow you to get out where theres no other way of getting around.
Therefore if and when you've done CBT next year and hopefully got your 4wheel money pit to a more complete but never finished state, and if CBT makes you want to ride a bike and not give up, it's 50/50 for many people who think they want a bike by the way. Then if your still classic bike and 125 eager to proceed then you can look for a used running bike in the style you like and do these little bits and bobs to depending on if yoif it's the riding that interests you more than the tinkering.
I'd possibly forget being transfixed on any make and model, and look for a classic style bike you like that's running well enough to use but could be tided up over time.
Seeing as you have no need for a bike and arnt going to get all whipped up about mpg and fuel tank sizes etc, then a classic 100-125 two stroke roadster would be just as good as a CG.
Not that you can make it necessarily better or faster for pennies, but it's a simpler job to fix or re-build an engine and old strokers reward being carefully fettled and have everything set up exactly as it should be in the manual.
Just adding some alternatives and a wider net to cast compared to trying to hunt down a CG in the spec and style you want. |
I don't really have a budget in mind to be honest, I know the helmet/leathers/gloves etc will probably cost more than the used bike I get anyway lol. I have condensed my projects to the weekend car and looking to get into riding, a few guys at work ride and they are really enthusiastic about it and I can see the appeal.
I won't get transfixed with a single make or model, will get my CBT sorted next year - the way I see it is when I sort out the CBT I have up to 2 years to decide if its exactly what I want for me to go for a full licence etc. Its more of a case of working out what I am actually after and seeing what the usual models are out there people might suggest to go with so that when I do have a bit of paper in my hand I am ready to find something right away.
I know this forum is a wealth of knowledge but I am sure everyone on here was in my position once looking forward to getting their first bike etc. |
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BusterGonads wrote: | m1tch wrote: | .....but I am sure everyone on here was in my position once looking forward to getting their first bike etc. |
I well remember buying my first bike. |
In 1967 I wasn't even a glint in my Daddy's eye!
I DO however remember the first bike I ever bought..... I still have it!!!
It wasn't my first bike, though.... just the first that I paid anything for!
https://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/montesa-trials/02_MyTrials/my248_01.jpg
That's it, in about 2002 ish, after the umpeteth renovation.
SIMILAR story though..... dark and dingy garden shed in my case, and I was 15... almost a year off being old enough to ride a moped on Her-Majesty's, a couple off being able to ride a 125, and a wobble-round-the block test to ride anything.
For a Sunny-Day play-thing, that dont have to work for a living, and can provide YEARS I say, of endless 'Fun' fixing and riding, it DOES bear some thunks. No tax, no insurance, no MOT, and in competition trials, even no scrutineering! A years club dues and ACU 'trials' licence, AND a seasons worth of 12 event entry fees, is still barely as much as I have to pay for the road insurance on the 125... which I have to mention is 50% more a year than for the Seven-Fifty....
Riding on the road, is no real challenge really, and its somewhere points don't make prizes; competition IS a challenge and one where you get a measure each and every section in the case of trials how well, or more likely not, you are doing; rather than fishermens tales of daring do obtained on public highway... you also get to see some beautiful countryside.. usually at VERY close quarters, you wouldn't get to see from tarmac.
Wonderful thing about trials, especially the classic classes, is that you have real reason to fix up the old junk, then get to go trash it, and do all over as bruises fade!!!!
BUT, it is the big trap of learner legals, heaping SO much expectation and aspiration onto something SO small, that really has little chance of fullfilling even half of them.
Separate the variables; learning to ride is one, thing. Getting a licence yet another; Going and riding 'for fun' yet another again, and fixing and fettling and playing spanners a completely independent occupation all together. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_xl125v_veradero%2011.htm
One of these maybe? not a small looking bike for a 125 and definatelt not cheap compared to the cg, cbf, ybr etc,
I would imagine they are of better build quality than the made in chine ybr,
lexmoto do a fair few old model ybr based bikes the aspire 125 is basically a ybr updated with disc brakes and stuff.
They even have one with an mp3 player and speakers built into the tank shrouds.
Supposedly the varadero is good for 70mph 15bhp according to the specs, the engine is shared with the 125 shadow i think.
By the looks of it shares some heritage with the vt vtr250 range so maybe an upgrade path if you are up for a bit of work for 30-35ish bhp. |
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I agree. I've owned both and I'd definitely rather have the ybr than the CG.
Both are equally shit at wanting to ride them though. |
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struan80 wrote: | Not enough cruisers about, |
Err, yes there are..... in some opinions FAR too many!
And A Shaddow VT125, or any other 125 for that matter, CAN'T be a cruiser... at best, cruiserie styled cruiserette perhaps... otherwise? No! J-U-S-T no!!!
A Cruiser... well, CRUISES!!
That means easy-riding; a big-lazy torque-laden motor that dont need the gears worked to move much.... THIS is not in the ability of a 125 to do Full-Stop.
It's not even a matter of power! There were a couple of Italian Cruiserettes that used the same motor's as the Mito or RS in almost full-power guise... they STILL didn't 'cruise'! actually something of an anathema, laid back styling and frantic Wasp-in-a-Meltdown noise!
I will admit that ragging the crap out of one, can, in a perverse sort of way be a bit of masochistic fun... but I wouldn't want to wear PVC lederhosen and a rubber mask every day either, and never in public EVER! And probably not in private very often either for that matter!!! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Tuning a CG125 by doing stuff like breathing mods for the airbox is the quickest way to devalue the bike and to make it go slower.
If you want to go faster, your best bet would be to buy a faster bike than a CG125. |
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Looking at the availability of my local training centre vs when I am free it would be late November/December when I can book in. I know at some point I will get wet, wet is ok its more about the ice on the road I am more concerned about.
I am also not really get any encouraging replies to anything I post to go and sort the CBT, seems that I apparently only want to get into biking because of someone at work, I don't have the finances to get a bike, the 125cc learner bikes I am looking at are apparently no good and I need to go straight to a DAS etc. |
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m1tch wrote: | Looking at the availability of my local training centre vs when I am free it would be late November/December when I can book in. I know at some point I will get wet, wet is ok its more about the ice on the road I am more concerned about.
I am also not really get any encouraging replies to anything I post to go and sort the CBT, seems that I apparently only want to get into biking because of someone at work, I don't have the finances to get a bike, the 125cc learner bikes I am looking at are apparently no good and I need to go straight to a DAS etc. |
Ooo, bloomin' eck, don't be dispirited by replies you get.
Get a bike. Don't P about, if you haven't got the budget (I suspect not, but you can say how much), get what you can, a CG125 or a YBR125 or a Rieju RS3 125 NKD or whatever. If you haven't had one before, or not a 125, anything you get will be fine, and it will not need "tuning". I'm not familiar with what class you can ride, again you can work that out.
Next, buy a £50 helmet like an MT that's good for the price (see: https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/ ), a £50 Buffalo Mistral 1 Piece oversuit or similar to keep you dry, a pair of £35 Richa 9904 gloves and a pair of well-fitting wellies for about £20. What's that, £155.
Then when you've got your insurance and anything else you need (licence?) you're off.
Well, that's what I might do, anyway. |
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Riejufixing wrote: | m1tch wrote: | Looking at the availability of my local training centre vs when I am free it would be late November/December when I can book in. I know at some point I will get wet, wet is ok its more about the ice on the road I am more concerned about.
I am also not really get any encouraging replies to anything I post to go and sort the CBT, seems that I apparently only want to get into biking because of someone at work, I don't have the finances to get a bike, the 125cc learner bikes I am looking at are apparently no good and I need to go straight to a DAS etc. |
Ooo, bloomin' eck, don't be dispirited by replies you get.
Get a bike. Don't P about, if you haven't got the budget (I suspect not, but you can say how much), get what you can, a CG125 or a YBR125 or a Rieju RS3 125 NKD or whatever. If you haven't had one before, or not a 125, anything you get will be fine, and it will not need "tuning". I'm not familiar with what class you can ride, again you can work that out.
Next, buy a £50 helmet like an MT that's good for the price (see: https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/ ), a £50 Buffalo Mistral 1 Piece oversuit or similar to keep you dry, a pair of £35 Richa 9904 gloves and a pair of well-fitting wellies for about £20. What's that, £155.
Then when you've got your insurance and anything else you need (licence?) you're off.
Well, that's what I might do, anyway. |
I haven't mentioned budget as I will be looking to get a used bike but could afford to buy a brand new Suzuki GSXR-1000 outright if I wanted - looking to spend around a grand or so on the bike as all the other bits will cost about the same. As mentioned it won't be a daily commuter etc.
Will get something booked in when possible - guessing learning in the wet/ice might be a good idea? |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 252 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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