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Posted: 08:32 - 19 Sep 2018 Post subject: |
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^This.
Why is OP so knotted up about what happened outside his work premises, and by who asked the manager to get involved, who witnessed them asking him and also why he cares either way if manager got involved or not, or indeed if another junkie dies?
And as for carrying round Nalaxone, then yeah a different world to mine too! You must be trained to administer it then too? If so and a dying junkie scum bag bothered your conscience that much why didn't you run out and stick your needle in them?
Why are you trying to find out who at work has a legal duty to do what, and yes it really does sound like your trying to get something over another person at work, is it for a moral, legal, or financial gain reason, or simply to try and blackmail or trip up another employee for wronging you? Shit place to be in and your gonna get stabbed in the back one day if your just out to cause trouble like that.
TL:Dr why can't you get a proper job anyway, instead of carrying round drugs to save/piss off junkies in the street? |
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Ok, so...
Location: Sofa shop, high street.
Situation: Person lying in road outside, cars approaching. Shop staff can and do see this through big plate glass windows.
As shop staff, what would you do? Something? Nothing? It's entirely within your power to leave the premises, wave at cars to slow down or stop. Try to help the person away from the road, get them out of danger, etc.
For one of the shop staff that saw a colleague go (or NOT go...) to help and then start reporting them for going (or NOT going...) is an absolute cnuts trick that would achieve nothing of value to the world, and that reporting person should have their eyeballs percussively reset to look different ways.
Anyway, continue the thread, it's getting interesting. |
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stevo as b4 wrote: | ^This.
Why is OP so knotted up about what happened |
Because im not a psychopath and I dont know what the contractual obligations of this person are with their employer. I know what mine are and what would happen if I failed to act.
stevo as b4 wrote: | or indeed if another junkie dies? |
Are you seriously asking why someone in my line of work would see the the death of a substance user in the street as a problem? Are you perhaps a psychopath?
stevo as b4 wrote: | And as for carrying round Nalaxone, then yeah a different world to mine too! |
Damn right, thank god.
stevo as b4 wrote: | You must be trained to administer it then too? If so and a dying junkie scum bag bothered your conscience that much why didn't you run out and stick your needle in them? |
A: Of course im trained in administering Naloxone its normal training for people who work with Opiate users.
B: I dont work there.
C: If I was then I would have at least checked to see what was actually happening and acted according to not only my employment contract and national standards for social service workers which count whether in or out of the workplace.
stevo as b4 wrote: | TL:Dr why can't you get a proper job anyway, instead of carrying round drugs to save/piss off junkies in the street? |
Well, OK, You win. I know that there are a certain number of BCF'ers who get a lot of sport from trying to derail any post or threads I make so i'll give up on this thread.
Oh and thanks for informing me of your opinion that caring jobs are not "proper" jobs. I will pass this on to HR the next time they do the company staff survey as evidence that that there is a problem with the public perception of the care sectors validity as an occupation.
Thanks to others who more sensibly responded to my question.
Those who took the "first aid?", "Not bluudy likely more trouble than its worth" attitude. I hope if you come off your bike and find yourself in need of some assistance you have your "Please do not resuscitate or provide any medical attention or endeavour to insure any emergency services are informed, unless you have been specifically contracted to do so by myself" sticker on your helmet. |
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When someone does that, it means you win. |
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Ribenapigeon wrote: |
B: I dont work there.
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So you just happened to be at another place who deals with Junkies who use Opiates, but not your place.
You know everything about what happened, who works there, what their position and rank is, who the dedicated safety at work First Aid was and who had access to the anti Opiate drug.
But it's definitely just another place identical to your workplace, which does exactly the same thing and you just happened to be at, but not working at?
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Internet points to whoever can find the news article about the incident OP is referring to.
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Posted: 14:23 - 28 Sep 2018 Post subject: Re: liability in refusing to give first aid assistance. |
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Ribenapigeon wrote: | If a manager was approached by an employee seeking assistance to give first aid to someone just outside the companies place of business and refused to do so when that manger has the appropriate training and access to particular specialised medical equipment is there hell to pay? |
If by 'hell' you mean 'prosecution', then no. As MPD's post points out, HSW Act does not apply to passers-by who happen to be just outside the workplace.
If 'hell' means sued for damages (assuming this is in England), well then someone would need to sue (e.g. attempt to claim there is duty of care under common law). Sounds unlikely the injured party is in a position to do that, and even if they were then there are lots of reasons why they would be pretty unlikely to get very far at all.
TL;DR: no.
Quote: | Added to this if the manager then, when others present advised him he should go and help attempted to turn the blame on the worker who sought assistance what further fan/faeces issues could there be? |
Er, maybe some sort of complaint from the offended worker? Worst case for manager, could be told to apologise, sent on (more) 'handling sensitive conversations' training.
Quote: | If other management including the manager in questions knew about the incident and did nothing then would anyone else raising the issue then find themselves in a whistle-blowing situation? |
Only if someone follows the whistle-blowing procedure. Which will cause issues for the managers if there's some company policy which says something like "Our company values being part of the local community and our people and especially our wider Leadership Team are expected to engage positively with residents in our neighbourhood, and be helpful to vulnerable passers-by, etc".Which seems unlikely, but on the other hand some naïve companies do occasionally get carried away with their own halo-polishing BS.
Quote: | Ive looked up some HR and H+S stuff on the web and theres a few things about designated first aiders refusing to assist but nothing about someone whos not necessarily designated as being a first aider but who still has responsibility. |
HR stuff = your company policy. H&S stuff = HSW Act (not applicable here) and common law duty of care (i.e. when are you responsible for your neighbour? And anyway isn't it enough to shout "You ok mate?" and call an ambulance?). |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 210 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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