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Hesketh308 |
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Hesketh308 L Plate Warrior
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Posted: 16:40 - 12 Oct 2018 Post subject: How close to production bikes were the late 90s Superbikes? |
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Hi all,
I have recently been watching old clips of BSB races from 1999 and 2000, with Hodgson,Walker,Reynolds,Bayliss and Hayden. The racing is fantastic, and it was at a time where a BSB rider could enter the very popular WSBK rounds, and be competitive, if not win outright.
With the current state of WSBK and Kawasaki domination with electronics rumoured to be more sophisticated than current MotoGP bikes, I've been curious just how far away from production spec the Superbikes would have been in the late 90s, from the Foggy-era on to the early 00s. This goes for BSB and WSBK.
I think it's madness for WSBK to be dropping the Superstock class from next year, and adding yet more Superbike races. It seems BSB have the rules just about right in terms of machine specs, and its regular for a different manufacturer to finish in the first 5 positions.
I can't help thinking that reducing the spec of WSBK to a more Superstock level would greatly increase the racing, and get more manufacturers involved.
I just wondered if the large gap between WSBK spec machines and production bikes have always been a world away from each other, or if this is something that has developed over the last decade or two. |
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Old Git Racing |
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Old Git Racing World Chat Champion
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MarJay But it's British!
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Suntan Sid |
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Suntan Sid World Chat Champion
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Posted: 22:44 - 12 Oct 2018 Post subject: |
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Old Git Racing wrote: | The time when a true privateer could win died with the demise of 2 strokes, TZ yamahas and RG500 suzukis. Not cheap at the time but at least if you were the best rider you had a chance. |
Spot on!
As far as I'm aware the only purpose built, true, race bikes are in the three MotoGP classes plus the Patons, used in road racing, in the lightweight and classic classes, everything else is merely a tarted up road bike.
If you go and watch the Classic TT and Manx GP you can see the massive difference between real race bikes and the modded production bikes.
Watching at the end of the Cronk-y-Voddy straight, there is a short incline and a crest just as the bikes start a, flat out, right hander, (11th milestone). Just on the top of that crest, where the bikes are starting to lean into the corner, there's an undulation in the surface.
Without fail, all the production based bikes are tying their suspension in knots, resulting in massive wobbles, throwing the bikes wide into the corner.
In contrast, the real, non production, race bikes, 250 and 500 strokers, plus the Patons, are rock steady, no drama whatsoever! ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!" |
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Diggs |
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Diggs World Chat Champion
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Ron Haslam 1986. I have vague recollections of marshalling this and Ron's bog-standard VFR...
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Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting... |
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almostthere Traffic Copper
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Posted: 20:44 - 20 Oct 2018 Post subject: Flights to Jerez? |
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A friend of mine has booked an apartment to watch the Jerez 2019 moto gp I've been invited and will be meeting them there (they live in Spain) but I can't find any direct flights,
Anyone been how did you get there? I did think of riding down stopping at my parents place near Valencia but I thinks it's going to be too far and costly and I can't take too much time off work
any ideas will be much appreciated ____________________ Beer, It's the reason I get up every afternoon
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 189 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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