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M.C wrote: | mpd72 CPT wrote: | With indigenous birth rate below 2 and life expectancy falling, the lack of access to housing and public services, at a time of record tax take, can only be explained by too many immigrants in a short space of time, taking more from public services and tax credits than they add to the revenue. |
I thought you were anti-social housing? If you think developers are going to flood the market with all the housing we need (and reduce their profits) you're dreaming. |
I'm talking all housing including private. Supply is struggling to meet demand. The town I live in is being destroyed because the government are bribing the local council to approve any development put in for planning. Even their draft budget states something along the lines of "we know that people don't want all these developments, but the government has been throwing cash at us and we've already budgeted for this bribe, so tough shit buttercup, suck it up. This makes a mockery of the consultation process for each development and they go through the process, with no intention of listening to concerns. Where the roads cant cope as they are, they get around planning rules by creating a park and ride. The problem is that the roads are not wide enough for bus lanes, so the bus will sit in the same traffic as the twice the amount of cars. Who's going to use a park and ride to be stuck in the same traffic on a bus as they would in their own car?
It's doubled in size and the infrastructure can't cope.
Where do you think these extra 20,000 people a year are coming from? It's not improving the life for local residents, it's making the quality of life worse.
A quick walk around the town during normal working hours soon tells you. This is why I want control over immigration.
I understand people in other areas probably don't experience what some of us in the South East are seeing, but believe me, if you think the official immigration stats are anywhere near accurate, you're living in a dreamworld. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Can you define 'indigenous'? ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | I'm talking all housing including private. Supply is struggling to meet demand. The town I live in is being destroyed because the government are bribing the local council to approve any development put in for planning. Even their draft budget states something along the lines of "we know that people don't want all these developments, but the government has been throwing cash at us and we've already budgeted for this bribe, so tough shit buttercup, suck it up. This makes a mockery of the consultation process for each development and they go through the process, with no intention of listening to concerns. Where the roads cant cope as they are, they get around planning rules by creating a park and ride. The problem is that the roads are not wide enough for bus lanes, so the bus will sit in the same traffic as the twice the amount of cars. Who's going to use a park and ride to be stuck in the same traffic on a bus as they would in their own car?
It's doubled in size and the infrastructure can't cope.
Where do you think these extra 20,000 people a year are coming from? It's not improving the life for local residents, it's making the quality of life worse.
A quick walk around the town during normal working hours soon tells you. This is why I want control over immigration.
I understand people in other areas probably don't experience what some of us in the South East are seeing, but believe me, if you think the official immigration stats are anywhere near accurate, you're living in a dreamworld. |
Of course they don't, any new housing is devaluing theirs. My point was more developers will never meet demand. This (hopefully) illustrates my point:
https://i.stack.imgur.com/mdQHj.gif
Without the government also building houses you're never going to meet demand. It's nothing to do with getting a 'free house', it's about not inflating the rental market and house prices. Obviously too many politicians and influential people have a vested interest to address the issue.
I agree the official immigration stats show an increase from 1998 (iirc) and they've been massaging them down ever since. |
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You do know that in 10 years time, that definition will include half of Cleckhudderbradfax, don't you? Isn't that going to make it difficult to argue the 'indigenous' angle? ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Polarbear wrote: | The UK government does not officially recognise any indigenous peoples within the country.
They can't though, it would fuck up all of their immigration plans if certain people had indigenous rights.
AND, what's the point in wiping out the locals if you then have to be nice to them. It what I tell the jocks, when you can beat us on Culloden Moor you can have wee Kranky ru(i)n your country. |
Whatever approach used it should be consistent. So if British people don't get special indigenous rights then nor should the Maori in New Zealand, the Aboriginals in Australia and the Indians in the USA. Similarly if those other groups get those rights then so should the Brits. I'm not arguing for or against the indigenous rights, only that it be applied consistently.
Diggs wrote: | You do know that in 10 years time, that definition will include half of Cleckhudderbradfax, don't you? Isn't that going to make it difficult to argue the 'indigenous' angle? |
If someone calls themselves a British Pakistani or speaks Urdu at home then no, they aren't British. The statement literally reads "I'm British-Not British", or alternatively that they live here but have a cultural allegiance to a foreign power. It's like if your girlfriend says she wants to marry you, and bring up a family together, but Dave (pictured below) is the only one who can have sex with her and make her pregnant
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I was shouting at the radio when the BBC presenter was stating to an expert that surely reduced global population was a bad thing. Actually it's not and other species on Earth would thank us if we ever manage to reign in our expanding population.
And talking about the UK, despite this story, the ONS predicts UK population is growing by millions for the forseeable future. So this lack of 'fertility' is not impacting UK population growth (unfortunately) which is largely thanks to.. yep, immigration.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationprojections
Also although it's true that developing countries have higher birth rates, it's also true that developed countries produce the most waste that damages the environement - for example the consumption of one US citizen on average is many times the average consumption of a person from some other countries. So it's not as simple as just reducing population, it's reducing consumption and population (especially in developed countries).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita#/media/File:Energy_Use_per_Capita.png
Then there's economic growth which is not as easy to achieve without ever increasing biological work units (people); need to find a way to satisfy increasing GDP (keeps economists happy) whilst not increasing the number of humans significantly anymore.
Oh, and I would guess the reduced 'fertility' is not related to 'fertility' at all but due to improved female education whereby better educated women are choosing to enjoy themselves during more of their life than going through the hazard and hassle of having lots of babies..
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I have stated this opinion before and been poo-poo'd, however I am convinced that the world's population will decrease dramatically in the mid term. We rely upon oil to transport food presently and this fuel will become uneconomic for anything but low volume, high price goods in the near future. This means that our purchase patterns will change dramatically as we will be forced towards a subsistence economy based upon the resurgence of market towns and a form of feudalism. Those presently living near land that can grow food will survive, whereas those living in cities may not.
This is beginning in Britain already with the upsurge of people growing their own veg and fruit in the countryside, and a poor urban population becoming reliant upon food banks.
Membership of the EU will become an irrelevance, as will our trading status with the rest of the worls because the ships we currently use to transport high volume products such as wheat will disappear, to be replaced with sail and solar-powered coastal, river and canal vessels transporting the sorts of things we used to do in the C19, i.e. coal, bricks, seasonal produce etc.
I would say 'watch this space', but this space will no longer exist for ordinary people....
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Diggs wrote: |
Membership of the EU will become an irrelevance, as will our trading status with the rest of the worls because the ships we currently use to transport high volume products such as wheat will disappear, to be replaced with sail and solar-powered coastal, river and canal vessels transporting the sorts of things we used to do in the C19, i.e. coal, bricks, seasonal produce etc.
I would say 'watch this space', but this space will no longer exist for ordinary people....
Just my thoughts. |
Very interesting
However. It could actually be a very good thing for the UK in the long term.
If/when fossil fuel power becomes unviable for anything but the most important of freight tasks, much of the world will be reduced to naff electric stuff which will only ever be good for shorter distances.
Meanwhile the UK as an island nation will be able to steam ahead with its sea ports and merchant navy. Ships will use nuclear fuel generators, as is the case for submarines and aircraft carriers already.
I guess nuclear powered locomotives may be possible too. Nuclear shipping technology is already quite advanced though, whereas nobody has ever made a nuclear train.
UK with its ports and shipyards could well become a very special place, in the distant oil-less future. Landlocked nations will be the most fucked. Germany may yet lose the war for Europe. Tally ho, rule Britannia, etc. |
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Every letter they post helps keep Royal Mail going.
Getting rid of the free tv license of old people would be a social experiment rather than directly being about money saving. Will old people start rioting? Who will they direct their anger at? How does the rest of the electorate react to the cost of old people being cut?
From the results of that experiment, we'd have some indication of what might happen if the state pension were to be reduced and how to mitigate the risks posed by angry old people.
Removing JSA and child benefit would just be to distract people from what's going to happen after taking away OAPs TV licenses. |
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You've got this worked out on a level I can't even begin to comprehend. Ste for President |
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M.C wrote: | Lord Percy wrote: | As for Itchy's point about pensions and retirement being a blip in the path of 'normal' society, I would like to refute that a wee bit. Sure, it's not 'natural' to promise state-backed freebies to old folk when they get too frail to earn for themselves, but then it's not natural offer state-backed education to every child up to 16 years old either. A lot of fairly new social systems are proving to be quite effective. I don't see why old-age care necessarily needs to be given the boot, out of all the things that could be given the boot. |
What would you give the boot?
https://fullfact.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/the_220_billion_welfare_budget1.png
It's why I don't understand the great minds of BCF always blaming gimmedats. |
Agreed, blaming dole grabbers for national woes is total nonsense.
As for the pie chart, here's another one showing the entire general budget:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/UK-Government-Expenditure-2016-17.jpg/1920px-UK-Government-Expenditure-2016-17.jpg
Also have a go on this website: https://app.wheredoesmymoneygo.org/bubbletree-map.html . It's loading pretty slow for me over in chinachianchina at the moment, but from what I remember it's quite informative.
I think the best way to save money without causing immediate problems for anyone would be to say new families are only allowed tax credits and housing welfare (whatever it's called) for having up to two children. Any more than that and you can sort yourself out.
There would need to be an increase in funding for sex ed and abortion clinics though, otherwise the country would end up with a festering mess of more-than-two-child family areas which would turn into slum-like ghettos.
I'd also axe trident.
I find it odd how Daily Mail types often look at India and ask, "Why does India receive aid, while at the same time its government can afford a space and nuclear program?" The same applies to the UK: Why does the UK government have to enact a harsh austerity agenda, while at the same time affording a multi billion pound nuclear submarine program?
At the very least, India is in constant direct conflict with Pakistan, a nuclear armed nation, over the Kashmir region, so nukes and satellites are quite well justified. UK however has nothing but a willy to wave. So for the sake of austerity I would put the trident nuke program on hold. Any sane society would agree with this (the Daily Mail even says so! See previous paragraph). The only reason it's such a toxic conversation is because rabid right wing media outlets love to convince people that nukes are necessary, "For R proteckshun!" |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 166 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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