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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: use for waste oil - replacement for creosote, etc? Reply with quote

My supply of used 10w40 has been building up - I was wondering if it can be used effectively to as a wood preservative? On e.g. fences, etc.?

One possible problem is it's pretty thin - perhaps too thin to paint on. Could it adulterated with something to thicken it? Secondly, is it too hazardous and toxic for t'environment and might it poison a stray kitten's face and gonads?
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMe it produces a long-lasting effect, but can be smelly for longer than normal creosote. I wouldn't use it where anything human can touch it often, but cats don't last as long as people, and I doubt would like touching it anyway. You could try a drop mixed with "creocote" say 50:50 (which is quite thin itself - about half diesael fuel).
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent stuff for wood fencing and shed preservation but decidedly eco-unfriendly.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

KITT wrote:
Mine gets recycled through my scottoiler.


Out of interest, how does it compare to the oil that comes with the Scottoiler? I.e., is 10w40 about the same in terms of viscosity? I did think about using it to lubricate my chain but thought it might be too thin and would fling off too easily. I suppose with the Scottoiler it's getting applied in such small quantities - and so continuously - that it doesn't cause visible fling, and just gets on with the job of lubrication.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
IMe it produces a long-lasting effect, but can be smelly for longer than normal creosote. I wouldn't use it where anything human can touch it often, but cats don't last as long as people, and I doubt would like touching it anyway. You could try a drop mixed with "creocote" say 50:50 (which is quite thin itself - about half diesael fuel).


It would be good if there was some cheap / easy way to thicken it up but I can't really think of any way to do it. One brief idea was to use ash from the fire - say, 10:90 ash to oil. Haven't tried it yet mind you. I just thought the ash might work because it's so fine.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're putting wooden posts in, soak the lower section in a bucket of old oil. Kills the planet but it's free!

What about making a waste oil burner/shed heater?
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

KITT wrote:
Mine gets recycled through my scottoiler.


That's a very bad idea.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
It would be good if there was some cheap / easy way to thicken it up


It can't be as thin as creosote, surely? That's like water ("creocote" is similar). Used oil really is (chemically and physically) 'orrible stuff. I wouldn't put used long-life oil out of my (diesel) van on the fence, that's for sure (unless as some sort of anti-climb treatment, carefully, on the outside only, and not next to the footpath). Used oil from petrol engines doesn't seem so bad.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used it thinned with white spirit on my sheds for many years, to be honest the last one I painted hasn't needed a new coat in 7 years or so, it's still like new compared to the shed my Dad gave me that has some modern crap on it that peels off after a year.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get rid and recycle it, nasty stuff.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 13 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikeless wrote:
modern crap on it that peels off after a year.

Yes. That *is* crap. The orange stuff is even an appalling colour, like the blue. Green is OK but still crap. "Shed & fence treatment", pfffffft.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 13 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why you would want to thicken it up. If you want to use it as a wood preservative you need it to soak into the wood. Mix it 50:50 with creocote and it works well. I've done fences and sheds with it. Mind yourself with the shed though, as it'll take weeks to "dry" off and you could end up getting a bit oily if you're lent up against it admiring your garden / spying on the neighbours.
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 13 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will not dry as creosote does. Creosote has an evaporate content so not everything you apply stays there. Most of it should soak into the wood. (Not as penetrative as most think. Real wood preservation requires a vacuum/pressure/heat process.)
So even creosote treated (diy) wood can eventually succumb to rot.

You, as a dedicated horticulturalist, would be advised to err on the side of caution.
Old oil will not penetrate very deep due to its viscosity and will probably just wash off by the rain over time.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 13 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

KITT wrote:
Mine gets recycled through my scottoiler.

But why do you need a scottoiler on a Ford Focus?
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 13 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
KITT wrote:
Mine gets recycled through my scottoiler.

But why do you need a scottoiler on a Ford Focus?


To lube his arsehole for his butt plug.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 13 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creosote has a high content of phenols and creasols that act as a preservative, i'm not sure modern engine oils are much use here. Neither do you have solid components (i.e. bitumenous tar) dissolved in a light solvent that will carry the slute into the wood and then evaporate.
Neither do you have a polymerising catalyst to get a result like linseed oils and similar produce, forming a plasticised layer both on it own as a surface finish and in conjuction with the penetrated wood forming a composite akin to fibreglass.

"Recycling" turns it into marine fuel oil, i'm not sure it's a good idea to use as domestic heavy fuel oil though.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 13 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bodyform/Fazer/Spacktard is still a dribbling shitgibbon and a born-again-cager.

I use old oil for chain lube. depending on miles, once or twice a week. I can't go through as much of it as I get through with oil changes though.

I don't use a Scottoiler, they're annoying. I pulled the one off the VFR that was on it when I bought it.
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