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Posted: 11:06 - 17 Nov 2018 Post subject: Poverty in the UK |
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This is a pretty damning report from the UN.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46236642
Perhaps we ought to be receiving aid from India/Nigeria etc. rather than giving it to them.
You can see where Corbyn is going to get his votes from with the promises he is making.
TBH I'm seriously considering whether to vote for Labour next time as the Tories have done nothing that helps me or my kids in life.
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This is the personal politically motivated opinion of one lefty, lapped up by Al Beeb and broadcast to the masses as an anti Tory message.
Looks like it worked.
If you calculate poverty as living at 55% or below of median wage, there will always be the people in poverty going by that definition, unless the entire country all earn within a certain amount of each other. Outside of Communism, this will not be the case.
Quote: | Prof Alston used a new measure by the Social Metrics Commission to come up with the figure of 14m people in the UK in poverty. |
Ah, so he changed the way it's measured to meet his target agenda.
We live in an age of virtue signalling, where everyone must invent new victims to campaign for on a weekly basis.
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Having been party to several written "Individual Voluntary Agreement" proposals. I must say I am amazed and apalled at how many people on low incomes prioritise their spending.
For example, I have yet to see one that did not include some form of premium TV entertainment package. Usually also includes an eyewatering monthly mobile and data contract that's more than I'd spend in a year. They stand there in a desingner tracksuit and trainers, chewing gum and telling you they don't got no money with a mobile phone in their hand that cost more than the 6 month overdue bill they're arguing about. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Lord Percy wrote: | mpd72 CPT wrote: | This is the personal politically motivated opinion of one lefty, lapped up by Al Beeb and broadcast to the masses as an anti Tory message.
Looks like it worked.
If you calculate poverty as living at 55% or below of median wage, there will always be the people in poverty going by that definition, unless the entire country all earn within a certain amount of each other. Outside of Communism, this will not be the case.
We live in an age of virtue signalling, where everyone must invent new victims to campaign for on a weekly basis.
Period Poverty is the most ridiculous of late. Tampons are five fucking pence each. I really don't believe that a large section of society are missing school because they cant find 5 pence for a tampon. But, hey it's been used by companies as a faux sympathy marketing campaign. |
A completely off-topic rant about nothing. Well done.
The report was written by the the UN envoy for poverty and human rights. I suspect his portfolio mostly concerns broken or corrupt third world nations. You know, the kind of places where poverty and human rights are usually in a questionable state. |
How the fuck was that off topic? The article was written to achieve an agenda. He even changed the way poverty is calculated to obtain his desired results. If you think the UK is riddled with poverty, I'd like to know what exactly you'd be comparing it to? Africa? Asia? Do me a favour. The bloke's a virtue signaller to appeal to people like you.
Try thinking for yourself for once.
Lord Percy wrote: | The fact that he was sent to the UK speaks volumes. |
It certainly does. I wonder who told him to go to the UK and tell the nasty Tories that the UK under their rule is riddled with extreme poverty? I wonder what agenda they might have?
According to his figures, a fifth of the UK is in poverty and apparently bringing in £15,000 a year is extreme poverty. Try telling that to half of Eastern Europe, let alone the rest of the planet. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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I worked that out when I was 3/4 years old and saw how poor everyone was, others are still struggling it seems.
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It's all relative though surely? There will always be some people with less money than others. At what point does it become a problem?
I really don't believe that people in this country, with our benefits system, don't have the means to avoid living a life without food or shelter if they don't want to.
Describe "poor". Are "poor" people really poor if they can still afford life's luxuries like smartphones and Sky TV, yet claim to be unable to afford food or 5p tampons?
I really don't understand this growing fashion of Liberal left victim creation. Try telling someone in remote Africa that you're poor, standing there in your designer sportswear, with a smartphone in your pocket, a free house and money thrown at you for sitting on your arse all day. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | M.C wrote: |
I worked that out when I was 3/4 years old and saw how poor everyone was, others are still struggling it seems.
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It's all relative though surely? There will always be some people with less money than others. At what point does it become a problem?
I really don't believe that people in this country, with our benefits system, don't have the means to avoid living a life without food or shelter if they don't want to.
Describe "poor". Are "poor" people really poor if they can still afford life's luxuries like smartphones and Sky TV, yet claim to be unable to afford food or 5p tampons?
I really don't understand this growing fashion of Liberal left victim creation. Try telling someone in remote Africa that you're poor, standing there in your designer sportswear, with a smartphone in your pocket, a free house and money thrown at you for sitting on your arse all day. |
Try telling someone in Africa that you can earn £1200 p/m and still not be able to rent a one bedroom flat in the nations capital, I doubt they'll believe you.
I agree it's relative, despite the rise of food banks we aren't starving, we aren't saying hmm what's for dinner... rice again. It's more a complete lack of prospects, smartphones are all well and good but when you have no realistic prospects of being a homeowner, or even having somewhere secure (in terms of tenancy) to live, it's hard to feel positive about your future. Most young(er) people I speak to feel this way.
You might say that has nothing to do with poverty but it does, people are struggling because they have to find £600-700-800 p/m to pay a private landlord, try going to bank and telling them you'd like a mortgage with those sorts of repayments, they'll laugh you out the building.
panrider_uk wrote: | There have always been poorer people whatever the government of the day.
Even if we started again with everyone being given an equal share of everything some would spend, some save, some work hard some laze around and we'd get back to the same situation.
It's just life. |
I have vivid memories of what it was like at the tale-end of Thatcher, early Major years. You talk to older people and they say there were no prospects, until Labour came along and they had jobs etc.. The divide seems to be when you speak to wealthier people about the same period, they loved it.
When Cameron was elected I knew immediately things were going to get worse, and they did. At work people feel the same way, for ordinary people it's always worse under the Tories. It's nothing to do with handouts or whatever BS the dailymail puts out, it's about spending and investment (rather than cutting everything), and seeing the benefits.
Its been a decade since the financial crisis and it still feels like we're in a f'ing recession, that's the Tories for you.
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Im-a-Ridah wrote: | The metropolitan elites in the remain areas Oxford, Cambridge, London triangle have most of the money, and also claim to be caring leftists socialists, so why not slap a tax on them to give to the poor? Afterall, they say they care, they remind us on Twitter all the time. |
Metropolitan "elite" work hard for their money and are already paying the highest tax brackets.
How about we have actual property tax eh? UK is the only country in EU that doesn't have property tax. INB4 council tax is NOT a property tax.
Property tax must be paid by the owners on all properties/land based on size and value. BTW that doesn't mean higher taxes. For the average Joe £300 000 house that may means lower tax too.
0.2% tax means Joe will pay £600 tax a year about half of what he pays now, if you have £5m mansion you will pay £10000 a year.
Or say land for £10m cough up £20 000 please.
Poverty problem solved.
FYI in Land registry most of the land is even not regsitered in 21c. 35% of the land is not even there.
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Try telling someone in Africa that you can earn £1200 p/m and still not be able to rent a one bedroom flat in the nations capital, I doubt they'll believe you. |
Not this shit again? If you want to live in the most exclusive area in the country, don't expect rents to be cheap. It amazes me how many illegal immigrants seem to be able to live in the most exclusive areas, yet poor self confessed victims like you can't afford to.
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