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peti4000
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 18 Nov 2018    Post subject: Honda CBF -125 rattling engine noise after run with low oil. Reply with quote

I have a Honda CBF-125 2010, and as I was riding home the other day it lost power for a second and then everything was normal again.
I was taking it very easy till I got home.
I regularly checked oil but obviously not correctly...
The gauge showed there was oil in it above min level.
Anyway, I got home on the bike but it started making a rattling noise.
Everything feels fine, got all the power same as before.
I changed oil anyway (just in case) and figured out there was only about 200ml oil in it instead of about 1.1litre.
Changed the oil and it feels all right but the noise is still there.
What should I do now? I was going for a very short few hundred meters run just to see if it goes away but it dont seem like.
Should I take to service? Or would it be okay just need to ride it to suck up the oil?
Any suggestions?

Thanks for help.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 18 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The engine head is probably fecked. That's the first thing to suffer from lack of oil. The noise won't go away, it'll become worse until the engine just stops. The camshaft and valve tappets/rockers are now worn beyond reasonable. It could also be the timing chain but I doubt it. Take the valve cover off and have a look inside.

Just out of my pure curiosity, how do you check the oil level?
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 18 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Screw out the gauge then wipe it with clean cloth then put it back and then take it lut to check it.
The only thing I can think of is maybe stuck some oil on the gauge when I pulled it out?!
Anyway it seems like it will cost me a lot Sad
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 18 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

some useful info on here, and also the owners group on facebook

https://cbf125rider.wordpress.com/
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 18 Nov 2018    Post subject: Re: Honda CBF -125 rattling engine noise after run with low Reply with quote

peti4000 wrote:
I have a Honda CBF-125 2010, and as I was riding home the other day it lost power for a second and then everything was normal again.
I was taking it very easy till I got home.
I regularly checked oil but obviously not correctly...
The gauge showed there was oil in it above min level.
Anyway, I got home on the bike but it started making a rattling noise.
( 8< )
Should I take to service? Or would it be okay just need to ride it to suck up the oil?
Any suggestions?


Losing power due to lack of oil is possibly a bad sign.

Where's the rattling from? Use a long screwdriver (or a long wooden spoon or some similar thing[1]), and press the tip gently against various parts of the engine, while the handle is pressed against that triangular flappy bit just in front of your ear hole, so that it closes the hole. You will hear all sorts of interesting whirring and swishing and in your case possible clanking rattling noises. Where is the rattling coming from?

What is "the gague"? A dipstick?

If you've done any miles., look at the colour of the oil, and possibly drain it and look to see whether there're any bits of swarf/metal particles at the bottom of the container you drain it into after it's stood for a couple of hours to settle. A litre of oil isn't expensive, and draining the oil isn't difficult.

Note, the rattle might be a coincidence, or something that you heard because you're listening carefully. Post video with sound?

[1] No, not that. You're actually improvising an "engine stethescope", and things as mentioned work well.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 18 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the gauge is basicly a dipstick.
I have changed oil and the oil is clear no bits in it at all.
I can't always hear the noise, only when I gently accelerate.
But surely that noise wasnt there before.
I tried to listen where is it coming from but its quite difficult. I only hear it when I ride but surely its from the engine not from the exhaust.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 19 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

put your hand on the engine from cold before it warms up. if a knocking feel can be felt at the bottom then big end has gone
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would expect thhe big end to die first in the event of low oil tbh.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

So long as it was managing to pump oil intermittently you might get away with it, there is a certain syndrome where you think you hear an odd noise then can't stop listening for it.... Cool

I would have expected the oil light warning to come on or flicker before serious damage occurred, assuming it's working.
That is what it's there for.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no oil light on CBF-125. Only EML but it wast on.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The noise is there for sure. Its quite loud metallic rattle. I thought about just hearing things but unfortunaltely Im not. For it makes a rattling noise.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you check the oil with the bike on the side or centre stand (pretty sure it's got both)? I would imagine that it's calibrated for checking on the centre stand (or at least, with the bike upright), if the dipstick is on the left side of the bike then it'd then give a false reading as the oil would pool on the left side of the engine?
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure it's not just a loose chain on the sprockets? Unrelated to the oil issue but your chain might need adjusting
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok guys im not stupid even tho it sounds like Very Happy Sadly I know quite a lot about bikes to make a silly mistake like this.
Of course i measure oil level on centre stand and I checked chain its not loose.
Thanks for trying to help me anyway, I appriciate any comments.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

peti4000 wrote:
Ok guys im not stupid even tho it sounds like Very Happy Sadly I know quite a lot about bikes to make a silly mistake like this.
Of course i measure oil level on centre stand and I checked chain its not loose.
Thanks for trying to help me anyway, I appriciate any comments.


Can you get a recording of this mysterious clanking or rattling noise?
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

peti4000 wrote:
Ok guys im not stupid even tho it sounds like Very Happy Sadly I know quite a lot about bikes to make a silly mistake like this.
Of course i measure oil level on centre stand and I checked chain its not loose.
Thanks for trying to help me anyway, I appriciate any comments.


Sorry, wasn't trying to patronise Wink it's always worth asking the obvious just in case! Fingers crossed you find the cause Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 29 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend said the same as many of you guys here.
Most likely big end has gone.
Would it worth fixing it?
Could be more expensive than the bike itself isn't it?

I also cinsidered swap the engine to a good one.
But how can I sort out paperwork then?
I want it to be legal.
If I replace engine then obviously the engine number wont match to the one is in the log book.

Any ideas what to do?

Thanks guys!!
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 29 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

peti4000 wrote:
My friend said the same as many of you guys here.
Most likely big end has gone.
Would it worth fixing it?
Could be more expensive than the bike itself isn't it?

I also cinsidered swap the engine to a good one.
But how can I sort out paperwork then?
I want it to be legal.
If I replace engine then obviously the engine number wont match to the one is in the log book.

Any ideas what to do?

Thanks guys!!



Just swap, then send off logbook showing photos of engine numbers being swapped. Most people dont bother.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 01 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the engine is now dead ( you killed it ) then there is no problem taking the thing apart for examination/experience/possible fix up ?

See cmsnl for the exploded views which can only help. You have a manual and only need a few "special tools" to take this engine apart ( and re assemble it ) , see cmsnl for help.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 01 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikenut wrote:
If the engine is now dead ( you killed it ) then there is no problem taking the thing apart for examination/experience/possible fix up ?

See cmsnl for the exploded views which can only help. You have a manual and only need a few "special tools" to take this engine apart ( and re assemble it ) , see cmsnl for help.


The engine is not dead, actually we gonna take it apart with my friend.
It's weird because ive got all the power, it feels good but it makes that noise.
Possibly its not that bad so might we can fix it.
My friend knows lots about bikes, he fixed emgines before but he is always really busy :/
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 23 Aug 2019    Post subject: Honda CBF125 Reply with quote

I have the same problem and believe this is the reason why, any thoughts please?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=319796
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 23 Aug 2019    Post subject: Re: Honda CBF125 Reply with quote

MxMikey12 wrote:
I have the same problem and believe this is the reason why, any thoughts please?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=319796


So now I have to read two zombie threads to find out what's going on?

I'm out!
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 24 Aug 2019    Post subject: Re: Honda CBF125 Reply with quote

Evil Hans wrote:
MxMikey12 wrote:
I have the same problem and believe this is the reason why, any thoughts please?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=319796


So now I have to read two zombie threads to find out what's going on?

I'm out!


My son had a cbf125 with that terrible exhaust rattle. We fitted a second hand one from a scrapper and it went awesomely quiet. Cost about fifty quid. However - I doubt you're right that this was the issue with the original thread starters bike. His bike lost power due to only having 200ml of oil before his rattle started.
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