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Posted: 20:40 - 15 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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M.C. I'm sure they will for a while.
I don't see London being full of ladies astride tall, leggy birds. London will be full of city-dwellers looking for a cheap meal. I can remember what the miner's strike did to the local duck and fish population. Imagine this hundreds of times over and you have London in the medium term. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Posted: 20:47 - 15 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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Diggs wrote: | Bnp - try the Energy Efficiency Directive for example. The less efficiently we produce, transport and use energy, the quicker the planet will heat up and the more fossil fuel we will use, leading to us running out of economic sources faster....
M.C. - somebody needs to make the hybrid vehicles, which means that raw materials and components need to be transported, and energy needs to be used in manufacture. As transportation and energy costs rise, the cost of said vehicles rises also. It will reach a point when ordinary people cannot afford a vehicle for domestic purposes. |
That’s lovely petal, but still doesn’t link your green fantasy world to the EU. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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I am afraid it does, sugar-tits. The EED is in addition to the Kyoto Protocol and the Paris Climate Change Agreement. If we leave the EU, we are not bound by the EED and we will not therefore reduce our energy consumption as fast as we otherwise could do.
You may mock my green fantasy world but pray tell, how do you see our future? Assume we are out of the EU and nobody discovers an alternative source of energy that can be readily used in personal and commercial transport... Where will all the food come from when we have to grow our own? ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Posted: 15:38 - 16 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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Diggs wrote: | I am afraid it does, sugar-tits. The EED is in addition to the Kyoto Protocol and the Paris Climate Change Agreement. If we leave the EU, we are not bound by the EED and we will not therefore reduce our energy consumption as fast as we otherwise could do. |
Would this be the EED which forces us to spend billions of Uk tax payers money subsidising buying products with companies producing alternative energy turbines and solar? Now who might that be? Oh yes, Germany. Funny that, EU policy is worth billions to the German manufacturing industry and exports.
Diggs wrote: | You may mock my green fantasy world but pray tell, how do you see our future? Assume we are out of the EU and nobody discovers an alternative source of energy that can be readily used in personal and commercial transport... Where will all the food come from when we have to grow our own? |
I really can't see your "Caroline Lucas on horseback with a cart towing local produce" as becoming reality.
Personally, I fully expect the vastly rich oil producers will have at least one person who might have thought about what comes next after oil becomes too expensive to extract. If you really think the planet is knackered after oil, think again.
Nuclear and electric will play a big part, but even internal combustion engines can run on plenty of fuels we can actually produce ourselves, instead of just piping it out of the ground where it sat for millions of years. Bio-diesel for one, what about alcohol, hydrogen? Hell, even orange or apple juice has enough energy trapped in it to run an engine.
If you really think the oil companies are going to retire when oil runs out, you're deluded. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Mdma let me simplify it. First, gain an understanding of what you are talking about re. electricity generation by reading this bit of Lefty fag BBC propaganda:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24823641
Now assuming you have understood it you will appreciate that in order to exist as we do now, we will need to replace fossil fuels with renewables. How do we do this when the cost of manufacture, transport and installation of most renewable plant is far higher than the corresponding saving in energy at present? We subsidise the renewables sector until the balance shifts. What happens if we don't compared to countries in the EU? They have the ability to produce cheap, clean electricity in the future and all we have left is harder to reach (therefore more expensive...) fossil fuels and a few nuclear power stations that have a limited lifespan and inherent ecological risks.
The point I am making is that if we want to be able to plug in a kettle in 2040, we need to be thinking ahead and that requires EU level consideration such as the EED. If we leave, we run the risk of successive Governments taking a Trumpesque stance, using up our coal and oil reserves faster, fracking the arse out of the countryside for gas, comissioning more nuclear power stations when we haven't even learned how to decomission the old ones we already have etc etc etc.
Have you read anything about production and use of biofuels in a global context? Please do, then think again about the likelyhood of us buying and transporting said fuel from countries that don't need all their land for growing food. We may well end up with some production in the UK but it will be expensive in all senses and the amount of fuel produced will not be sufficient to maintain a motor industry producing vehicles for domestic use.
The only reason why oil companies are as large and powerful as they are now is because oil has been such an efficient form of fuel. Once its general use ceases, those companies will cease to be as big. We can see a shift towards electric cars now, and this will continue until the manufacturers realise that people can't afford them any more because we will simply not have the disposable incomes we enjoy now. This will happen because our economy and society is dependant upon the availability of cheap fossil fuels. Chicken and egg, if you like...
I have said before that staying or leaving the EU is a minor consideration in comparison to the spectre of Caroline Lucas on horseback, as Mdma so eloquently puts it. On balance, staying in an organisation that recognises the future and legislates to soften the blow makes more sense than leaving it and hoping Trump or the Chinese will suddenly grow up.
Am I deluded? If I am, I am from a more informed standpoint than you who thinks that we can rely upon big business to save the planet! ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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That picture is offensive to vegans.
Anything we do regarding green policies is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the shit America and China spew out. Probably India too soon. |
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True enough, but there is nothing wrong with trying to make life on our little island bearable for future generations by being part of a larger organisation with leverage.... ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Posted: 14:30 - 20 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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Diggs wrote: | True enough, but there is nothing wrong with trying to make life on our little island bearable for future generations by being part of a larger organisation with leverage.... |
A larger organisation forcing child rapist and criminals on us, whilst allowing anyone to travel from it to the UK unchecked. How many criminals are "migrants" when they get arrested? I'm willing to bet the rate is at least twice our own fuckwits.
You live a very sheltered life if you think the Federal State which the EU is rapidly becoming, will make the UK a better place for the next generation.
You need to get over this absurd idea that EU is the great protectorate of the planet. It's green initiatives are purely to benefit German manufacturing. By forcing targets and making sure companies like Siemens are at the forefront of wind turbine production, smart meter manufacturing and installing etc, they are forcing EU members to boost the German economy by forcing them to spend billions of tax payer money on German goods and services. Try thinking out of your recycled box occasionally.
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I have to ask - how do you propose we save the planet? ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Diggs wrote: | I have to ask - how do you propose we save the planet? |
I think we're doing more than enough in the West already. Stopping artificially raising the population of Africa and other third world countries to beyond what the land can support would be the best step.
All we're doing by throwing cash and aid at them is encouraging mothers to have birth rates into the 6 + offspring category. That always ends death and famine, even the UK couldn't support that. If we cut aid, birth rates would drop back to sustainable levels.
I doubt you'll accept this truth, because it wont fit your agenda. But it's hard to deny it as fact.
BTW, I see a lot of "the world is doomed" climate bullshit just as a convenient agenda drum to bang for governments to impose more taxes and levies. Science often backs up this debunking of "Climate change disaster" theories too, but that's another topic. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Posted: 15:28 - 20 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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Ok, so not giving foreign aid is your answer to climate change because it persuades black women to have more babies. An interesting, well considered point of view as always.
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Diggs wrote: | Ok, so not giving foreign aid is your answer to climate change because it persuades black women to have more babies. An interesting, well considered point of view as always.
Sorry I asked! |
And that highlights exactly how blinkered your view is. It's a very well considered point, just maybe a little too technical for you to get your head around, due to your pre-programmed agenda.
Of course carbon emissions are linked to population size, only a fool would not accept this fact. The problem with this planet is over population, pure and simple. Over population in Africa just ends up spilling to the places like Europe via "migration", where resources are handed out for free. We then end up with the high emissions problem generated from over population in Africa, in turn generated from our artificial support of life over there, due to our aid creating over population in Africa. (Over population is specified on how many lives the land can support, not how many people live in a small space). The UK can not and is not self sufficient. We rely on foreign aid too, we just have to pay for it as trade imports on food and energy.
The world would still fall on it's feet if we all went back to your liberal utopia of Caroline Lucas riding to the local market on horse back to barter for her weekly turnip. Too many horses would end up creating as much carbon emissions as the current situation, let alone piles of shit everywhere.
Here's a good idea. Ban cats. That'll help! ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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So, you think that stopping foreign aid will reduce 'spillage' of Africans into Europe. Ever considered that stopping foreign aid may make life less comfortable for millions of Africans in Africa, and they may decided to up-sticks to Europe as a result?
Earth is over-populated, of that we can all agree. I don't think stopping foreign aid will touch the problem however because it is much bigger than that. It might make you feel happier to know that you aren't providing Africans with work so they can afford to feed their kids and their parents, but I don't think that is the answer to global warming. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Point not missed. Africa is overpopulated like most of the world. Stopping foreign aid isn't going to change that.
You say that before western intervention (whatever that means...), birth rates were lower and survival rates higher. By that can I take it that nowadays birth rates are higher and survival rates lower? I'm no genius as you are keen to point out, but wouldn't one cancel out the other?
Here's an idea. What about some of the foreign aid going towards education and contraception? ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Diggs wrote: | Point not missed. Africa is overpopulated like most of the world. Stopping foreign aid isn't going to change that. |
Just sit back and think for a minute. Come on, this is not hard to comprehend. What's the definition of over population again?
Quote: | Human overpopulation occurs when the ecological footprint of a human population in a specific geographical location exceeds the carrying capacity of the place occupied by that group. |
Which part of that ^ is too hard for you to grasp? What do yo think foreign aid is, do you think it's the natural carrying capacity of the place the group occupies, or artificial resources from outside of the place the group occupies? I've already explained this to you in reasonably small words.
mpd72 wrote: | (Over population is specified on how many lives the land can support, not how many people live in a small space) |
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Johnnythefox wrote: | By Reuters
10:57PM GMT 02 Nov 2015
The world is no longer at risk of running out of oil or gas, with existing technology capable of unlocking so much that global reserves would almost double by 2050 despite booming consumption, BP has said.
When taking into account all accessible forms of energy, including nuclear, wind and solar, there are enough resources to meet 20 times what the world will need over that period, David Eyton, BP Group head of technology said.
"Energy resources are plentiful. Concerns over running out of oil and gas have disappeared," Mr Eyton said at the launch of BP's inaugural Technology Outlook. |
As interesting as it is, i’m Not sure on the relevance to QT? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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M.C wrote: | Might knock one out over Diane |
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Feck me rigid. I never thought I'd see the day that Al Beeb publish a story of how Labour whined that QT on Al Beeb wasn't biased enough towards them.
I can't help thinking this is Al Beeb propaganda, to play down their obvious and clear bias towards the left and ethnic minorities. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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