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PostPosted: 14:00 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Val can make the argument of it not being legally binding, he is accurate. You can and in fact do argue this is a technicality yet it doesn't falsify his claim.

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/


I'm not arguing with him on that; see my reply above. Whether it was advisory or not is absolutely irrelevant.

The point is that:

4a) ... Parliament, by a large majority, decided to write the result of the referendum into law and voted for us to leave the EU.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think Val's idea of democracy is that we ignore referendum results, in which case there isn't any point in ever holding one Neutral


He's coming close to being "plonked", for posting lies and crap like the other ones. Were it possible to have a sensible discussion, maybe not. However.


Ha! Ha! Ha! Nice one EUfixing!

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PostPosted: 14:09 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

And there we have it....pick a remain deal which ties us to the EU, but call it leaving and pretend it's the only option. Pretty much what most of us said the stich up would be from day 1.

Liam Fox, the slimey cunt wrote:
Brexit might not happen if Prime Minister Theresa May’s divorce deal is voted down by the British parliament next week, Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said on Friday.

Hunt said that if May’s deal was defeated then there was a real chance of “Brexit paralysis” that could lead to Britain’s planned exit being stopped.

He said the British parliament was committed to stopping a no-deal Brexit.


So, even though the government promised to implement "Leave the EU" if that's what won the vote, now we get the option of Remainer May's "Leave in nothing but name and give the EU ultimate say on whether we can ever stop funding them and leave, bullshit" deal, or the threat of parliament blatantly ignoring the democratic will of the people.

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PostPosted: 14:22 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
4a) ... Parliament, by a large majority, decided to write the result of the referendum into law and voted for us to leave the EU.

He can come back on that if he wishes. You care to clarify specifically?
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mdma - So what we need is a General Election, with one of the major parties advocating Brexit within its manifesto. Given that JC is the only current leader of significance who wants us to leave, I'd laugh my cock off if your only alternative was to vote Labour!!!!
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mdma - So what we need is a General Election, with one of the major parties advocating Brexit within its manifesto. Given that JC is the only current leader of significance who wants us to leave, I'd laugh my cock off if your only alternative was to vote Labour!!!!

Could you imagine Shocked Shocked Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mdma - So what we need is a General Election, with one of the major parties advocating Brexit within its manifesto. Given that JC is the only current leader of significance who wants us to leave, I'd laugh my cock off if your only alternative was to vote Labour!!!!

Could you imagine Shocked Shocked Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing


Blimey, has Doggs not worked out that he's in the troll corner yet?

Corbyn is a self serving twat, but I'd love for him to get in power for a short period of time. I mean we can just change the rules and hold general elections whenever a leader of the opposition fancies apparently now, so it would be brief at best.

If him, the Abbopotoumus and that other Communist bloke got in charge for a bit, that should be enough to put the idea of labour being a serious option in government, to bed for at least another generation.

It might also either re-invent a right wing version of the current sliding left, Tory party, or at least leave a massive gaping hole for Farage to launch a new right of centre party promising to serve the people of the UK, not themselves and immigrants for once. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy to be in the troll-corner because I have biscuits....

Mdma - you talk about Farage, but what about UKIP/YL as the new right party? Given your hero-worship for YL I can't understand why you don't see him as the obvious choice. Farage is a traitor surely, for flouncing....
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Riejufixing wrote:
4a) ... Parliament, by a large majority, decided to write the result of the referendum into law and voted for us to leave the EU.

He can come back on that if he wishes. You care to clarify specifically?


Clarify what? I do still see his posts at the moment, you don't need to speak for him, BTW.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Given that JC is the only current leader of significance who wants us to leave, I'd laugh my cock off if your only alternative was to vote Labour!!!!

Eh? I think people are getting confused with how he's voted a few times and everything him and his party has said over the last couple of years. A Labour government would equal no Brexit in a heartbeat. It's a shame as they used to be all about the ordinary man in the street, now they seem to represent momentum and all the fringe groups.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Given that JC is the only current leader of significance who wants us to leave, I'd laugh my cock off if your only alternative was to vote Labour!!!!

Eh? I think people are getting confused with how he's voted a few times and everything him and his party has said over the last couple of years. A Labour government would equal no Brexit in a heartbeat. It's a shame as they used to be all about the ordinary man in the street, now they seem to represent momentum and all the fringe groups.


It's pretty obvious that only one of the establishment parties has a majority of members who want to leave and they've shot themselves in the foot post Farage.

If this doesn't go through now, there are up to 52% of the electorate who have been let down, lied to and ignored by the establishment.
You can't blame this all on the Tories, Labour and other parties have tried to throw spanners in the works all the way along. The Tory party's biggest mistake or silliest plan was to allow May to turn it into a Remainers Brexit. The referendum would have come, no matter who was in charge.
Public feeling towards the EU was dropping fast and support for UKIP made them dominate the European Parliament elections and they started eating serious ground into both Labour and the Tories. A referendum and a lot of cheating in Farage's seat, was needed to put a stop to them. Whether Mackinlay was found guilty or not, due to the Tories picking a scapegoat, there was no denying his campaign team cheated. They just pretended he knew nothing about it and it was all done secretly by one scapegoat.

Corybn will just do what he thinks will get him and his comrades in control of the countries credit card.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The figures I posted before said the Tories were 56% remain iirc, Labour do apparently have some Brexiteers, but they're in the minority and seem to stay fairly quiet Smile I'd be surprised if they make up more than 25%.

May's only chance was letting David Davis do his job and getting a deal which satisfied the Tory Brexiteers, DUP and one that the remaining Tories could get behind. That ship has sailed.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The figures I posted before said the Tories were 56% remain iirc, Labour do apparently have some Brexiteers, but they're in the minority and seem to stay fairly quiet Smile I'd be surprised if they make up more than 25%.

May's only chance was letting David Davis do his job and getting a deal which satisfied the Tory Brexiteers, DUP and one that the remaining Tories could get behind. That ship has sailed.


I wonder if anyone's actually worked out how the entire contents of the HoC voted?

Edit - 480 Remain to 159 Leave is a good estimate, which kind of puts a mockery on them voting again on things the democratic majority have already instructed them to do. If they have the power and audacity to ignore the democratic will of the people and decide themselves, if and how we Brexit, the vote was a waste of time and money and the government offering a choice of "Leave the EU" and promising to "implement what you decide" was the biggest lie in the history of UK politics.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Clarify what? I do still see his posts at the moment, you don't need to speak for him, BTW.

I know yet some got caught up on that hence my interjection as well as a nod to the counter, It's more for myself in that sense, if a claim is made I just want a source pointed to for specificity, I might learn something new etc Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
Clarify what? I do still see his posts at the moment, you don't need to speak for him, BTW.

I know yet some got caught up on that hence my interjection as well as a nod to the counter, It's more for myself in that sense, if a claim is made I just want a source pointed to for specificity, I might learn something new etc Thumbs Up .


What? I don't understand. Do you want a pointer to the result of the vote on the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill?
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think Val's idea of democracy is that we ignore referendum results, in which case there isn't any point in ever holding one Neutral


Absolutely spot on. UK never have been designed for referendums.

UK is Parliamentary democracy. It is your idea for democracy that UK must have 1 advisory referendum based on fraud each 40 years.

This article explains clearly what is the problem:

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/take-it-from-the-swiss-the-brexit-referendum-wasnt-legitimate


The real problem is not only the referendum been advisory, the lack of CLEARLY defined objectives making the referendum useless.

And please don't do again - we know for what we have voted, because NOBODY was fucking knowing about the 500 pages deal that May is trying to sign. And if the UK leaves there will be about 7000 more pages that explain in details what will be the actual trade deal with all details and implications.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
UK never have been designed for referendums.

UK is Parliamentary democracy. It is your idea for democracy that UK must have 1 advisory referendum based on fraud each 40 years.
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Since 1973 there have been eleven referendums held in the UK.

https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/elections/referendums-held-in-the-uk/
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure Val has worked out by now that his anti-democratic and pro-EU rhetoric comes as no surprise.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Val wrote:
UK never have been designed for referendums.

UK is Parliamentary democracy. It is your idea for democracy that UK must have 1 advisory referendum based on fraud each 40 years.
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Since 1973 there have been eleven referendums held in the UK.

https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/elections/referendums-held-in-the-uk/


Only 3 UK-wide ones. Good work posting your source of factual information!
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 11 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do agree it's a poor way to govern though. It suggests a weak Parliament.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 12 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do agree it's a poor way to govern though. It suggests a weak Parliament.


And we have the weakest parliament that I have seen in my 62 years on this planet.

Even when we had a bad parliament/leader we had an opposition that gave us some choice. We haven't even got that now, that are all bad, self centered scum that put themselves before the country.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 12 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even when we had a bad parliament/leader we had an opposition that gave us some choice. We haven't even got that now, that are all bad, self centered scum that put themselves before the country.


In which sense, I think they are very representative of people today as a whole.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 12 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gonna jump in with a newish prediction - some interesting admissions from MPs prompting me..

Mays deal is blocked.
May drops in Plan B: Delay leaving the EU for a year. Tells everyone it'll allow time to clarify things and understand the process better (bollox I know).
That extra year allows a new political party to be created. The new party is run by Farage and some other 'interesting' people. The new party speak plain language to the people of the UK and the people side with them - basically leave without a deal because that's what the people want.
A general election is somehow (yeah I know it's DR Who script writing) forced upon us. Farage and his plain speaking party slay the two main partys and he wins.

(I reckon I have at least one thing correct in that lot)
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 12 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That extra year allows a new political party to be created. The new party is run by Farage and some other 'interesting' people.


Farage is a one-trick pony. And he has played his hand and retired from the game.
Also, he divides opinion too much. If further time is needed for campaigning, a new party needs to be led by someone who can convince more people that the UK can make a good go of things outside of the EU. No amount of time or new parties will achieve anything more if the divisions remain as they are.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 12 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Farage comes at us with a new party he will need to position it somewhere on the economic spectrum to be valid. He will also have to line up deals with other countries to show us exactly what will happen if we leave the EU, otherwise we are no further forward....
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