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PostPosted: 14:16 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same with my ex wife and stepdaughter. Your GF is basically allowing your stepson to steal, and not acting on it. Worse still, she doesn't mind that you are losing out either. Those are the facts. She can't defend her son and expect other people to suffer for his actions.

How well are you two with speaking frankly to each other? Because you need to do it, and soon. And you need to be prepared for what you're going to do if she keeps up with the "he can't help it, he's disabled" routine. Sorry to be harsh but you have to think about yourself too.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of my brothers started taking money out the change jars and before long he was pawning everything that wasn't locked away.

Your stepson is 22 kick him out or insist on rent.
22 isn't a kid he's a grown man he needs teaching that actions have consequences.


I would be thinking 'drugs' if it got to that stage.

It seems from reading up on it stealing from your family is a stage all children go though (that's bollox IMHO but whatever) however it's usually sweet money.

Perhaps he wanted some Ferrero Rocher rather than gob stoppers. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
It seems from reading up on it stealing from your family is a stage all children go though (that's bollox IMHO but whatever) however it's usually sweet money.

Perhaps he wanted some Ferrero Rocher rather than gob stoppers. Rolling Eyes

I thought that's why you gave them pocket money (I never got any Crying or Very sad) so they'd have sweetie money. But yeah stealing £80-100 at 21 is something different.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 22 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of my younger brothers is a bit like this. 26 years old, lived with parents forever and never pays rent/food money (even though he works full time). He has a good education and a chemistry degree, yet he's fucked around so much that he now works in a care home, literally cleaning old people's arses and feeding them pills.

He always has an excuse like he's saving up for something, or has a debt to pay elsewhere, etc etc, anything to make sure he continues getting everything for free at home. My dad hates it, but mum is a pushover. No idea why, me and my twin brother always got a proper bollocking if we were out of line.

He doesn't have a whiff of ADHD either, he's just a sociopathic cunt who'll take anything he can and never offers anything in return because, "Well if you didn't want to give/help/do anything for me then you shouldn't have done it in the first place."

He's perfected the art of manipulation, and knows exactly how to delegate blame onto other people so nothing ever appears to be his fault. The latest was, "Yeah mum and dad know I'm driving my car with no MOT", said in such a way as if to suggest that it'll be their fault if something bad happens.

He's the epitome of the millennial waster who thinks the world owes him everything.

Sorry, can't offer much advice, just thought I'd add a bit of a consolation story. I think a bit of honest tough love is the answer. My dad reckons he's gonna reach the tipping point soon, overrule my mum's soft touch policy and go into ultimate dad-rage mode and cause a massive family upset.


Narcissistic is the psychological term. (From Greek)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/narcissism

Cannot be reconciled and better avoided or kept at arm's length.


Yes I know about narcissism, and the Greek god Narcissus who couldn't get enough of his own reflection and made women commit suicide because he never returned their love.

No my brother does not suffer from that. Maybe I didn't describe him properly.

I spent the past year living with the most narcissistic narcissist I've ever encountered, by a very large margin. I know very well what those kinds of folk are about.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 22 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I spent the past year living with the most narcissistic narcissist I've ever encountered, by a very large margin. I know very well what those kinds of folk are about.

You shouldn't speak about yourself like that Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 22 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't call my wife's lads my stepsons as they already have a Dad and don't see me as a father figure so therefor I haven't any Stepchildren. I also refuse to allow my ex wife to call that sniveling little shit a Stepfather to my kids, the shit couldn't be a proper father to his own bastard thieving drog end children, so he could never do the same to my children.

Anyway got side tracked there, if the lad has taken money then he needs to repay that money. Don't let the issue get between you and your wife as you need to show a united front. also he will fly the nest one day and you will still want to be with your wife.

Start with little things, one locked cupboard, proper hasp and clasp on it, on full show with things like your cash money tin that you are saving, luxury biscuits, any or all alcohol. Tins of beans and sausage, that sort of thing. Don't make a BIG thing of it just make it a thing. If you go out, lock stuff in it, maybe the TV remote or the last of the bread. Keep the other cupboards as bare as possible. Same for your bedroom, keep a locked draw in there with personal stuff in. When you go on holiday put a lock on the bedroom door, in fact put two, one top and the other at the bottom of the door, that way no accidental braking of the locks can happen.

Be subtle, only fish and chips for you and your wife, just make meals for you two and let him get his own, same with clothes and bed linen, just do your own and let his pile up. (the washing powder can go in the locked cupboard too) He may soon get the message.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 22 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

To counter the collection of threads that are edging ever close to corporal punishment, he may also need some help.

I accept that he's a manipulative little cumstain, but he may also be a manipulative little cumstain with no idea of how to behave or how to take care of himself. If you kick him out, or he has a tantrum and runs away from home, the long term consequences are going to be worse. The story has "vulnerable junkie" written all over it.

So you can't do the punishment thing, that's clearly her territory, even if she isn't doing it. You can still teach him how to be a man. Teach him how to service the bike before you sell it. That way he might learn something, and get a connection with the bike. Should mean it resonates a bit more with him when he watches the new owner ride away on it.

In short, although he may be 22, it sounds like you need to act as if he's 14, but without being a cunt about it.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 22 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

25yrs old seems to be the new 15yrs old. Bloody Snowflakes.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 23 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
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I spent the past year living with the most narcissistic narcissist I've ever encountered, by a very large margin. I know very well what those kinds of folk are about.

You shouldn't speak about yourself like that Tut Tut


Can't help it. I just love hating myself Very Happy

No really though he was a huge revelation. Narcissistic personality disorder is a real thing and I have now witnessed it. Poor lad just ends up pushing people away (this is the second time he's ended up living alone because all his housemates got sick of it and left), and deep down he knows he's doing it, yet all he can ever do is continue acting like his sole function in life is to be the 'winner' of every situation.

He plays football in the local league and brags about how everyone wants him banned, because he's such an utter cunt on the pitch. The league managers are having internal discussions over his conduct, not because of foul play, but because he's just downright horrible to people for laughs. He likes to go for the psychological win on people too.

It's the weirdest and worst personality I've ever seen in someone.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 23 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

So he doesn't suffer from what I posted earlier, IJAC?

I think he does.

A few kickings should sort him out. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 23 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update:

Waiting to see if he's paid the fine as he promised on Monday. He is also doing drugs, but only weed, and who hasn't at that age?

He's blaming the death of his nan, and the other nan being put into a home, he refuses medical help because he doesn't want to be that person.

He says he's moving out, but his mates have a spare room, but they don't want him living with them, which has to say something!

I've been in their lives, home longer than their biological father. He walked out when eldest was 8, I've been there 8 years.

He said he is trying to change, but let's see. We asked him to put the rubbish out, and empty all the bins, but still, all the bathroom bins are full (1 for over a month now I refuse to back down!) and all the cardboard is still on the step.

If told my girlfriend if things have not improved by the time we get back from holiday, I will be leaving.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 23 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

R1stu wrote:
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He is also doing drugs, but only weed, and who hasn't at that age?


Probably the vast majority of the population haven't

Around 1 in 11 (9.0%) adults aged 16 to 59 had taken a drug in the last year
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 23 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

R1stu wrote:
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I've been in their lives, home longer than their biological father. He walked out when eldest was 8, I've been there 8 years.



But his mother has been there throughout his 22 years.. and where children are concerned the women have always the final say..'
..unless they are a psycotic nightmare and kid wants to be with Dad for his/her own sanity and security.

If you feel you have bent as far as you want to then you're probably right to pack your bags.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 23 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:

Medication is simple and effective, using stimulants. The hyperactivity bit of reduces through teens into twenties, or gets more controllable as the brain develops. It is also common for people with the condition to have a few things they can absolutely focus on, with hours of uninterruptible concentration.

Which is a long winded way of saying, bollocks is it ADHD with that kid. That would be a valid excuse if he was 8. Now he's an adult with an excuse, and needs to learn that actions have consequences.



I'm not going to excuse someone old enough to know right from wrong. But one of the main issues about not having brakes in the brain is very poor impulse control.

If someone has ADHD / ADD, and especially someone young, they find a source that generates Dopamine which they normally would struggle to do from other activities (where there is no reward felt from basic things) then its possible to believe the person would struggle to find impulse control on being self aware enough to asses that in the moment. Even if they could, they'd quite possibly find ways of justifying it to themselves afterwards.

Medication helps (but brings side effects). Diagnosis also brings the need to inform DVLA (because of the impulse control issues). The DVLA could change their stance on whether or not to automatically remove a persons license for a ADHD diagnosis (they currently don't).

Actions have consequences all over the place Smile

Again. Wrong is wrong, not disputing that. But the lads brain has joined the dot between feeling good (the girl) and doing whatever to keep her happy. That pattern needs to be challenged and he needs to find alternative methods to better cope with his brain.

Medication is one. Diet another. Exercise. Cutting out sugar, reducing glutamate, cutting out caffeine, reducing alcohol. Meditation.... 22.....mmmm perhaps unrealistic, but.
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 24 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would stick him out on his ear right now without a moment's hesitation. 22 and stealing holiday money. GTFO.
You should have reported the first theft to the law, or if not that then certainly the second theft. If this situation escalates and the mother takes his part you might end up on the wrong side of a cell door one day. You might as well pay the SORN fine because he won't and it'll keep doubling-up when the bailiffs get involved and that will reflect on your future credit rating too since he's at your address.
Playing who blinks first with the rubbish bins is folly because you're empowering him with your example of how to deal with that. You won't back down, he won't back down - he's going to be fine with that and he'll know that it's eating away at you. Empty the bin and find a more subtle way of letting him know who is boss.
You've been there 8 years and he's 22 so he was 14 when you first arrived. 8 years isn't enough for you to establish enough of a judgement of his character to see how being guarantor for the finance on his scooter was going to pan out?

I suspect you have a few more surprises to come yet.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 24 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
R1stu wrote:
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He is also doing drugs, but only weed, and who hasn't at that age?


Probably the vast majority of the population haven't

Around 1 in 11 (9.0%) adults aged 16 to 59 had taken a drug in the last year

I'd be very much surprised if the majority of people hadn't at least had a spliff in their life, normally on a night out I'm the square not doing coke Neutral I suspect it's that in the last year bit, for a lot of people it's either experimentation or a phase, I know people who used to smoke weed regularly that don't do any drugs or even drink now.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 24 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

R1stu wrote:
If told my girlfriend if things have not improved by the time we get back from holiday, I will be leaving.


I'm not sure what the biggest issue is for you here. Is it:

"GF I love you but I can't live like this with an uncontrollable 22yo in the house"?

or

"GF the way you pander to your son and leave me to police him makes me not love you"?
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 24 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit of both, I can't be a father to my kids, and I really want to be in their lives but cant.

She is the parent but she hates being an adult. she uses being left by her ex with 3 kids as her reason.

She couldn't cope and pretty much left them to it, the second 2 coped way better and are a lot more responsible and both are managers at maccers.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 24 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make sure you are leaving for the right reasons and it's all square in your head. It broke my heart when i had to leave my wife and son, but i would have gone downhill quickly if i had stayed. Your kids will be ok if you and the Mrs both behave like adults and are civil to each other. But life goes on. Just be sure what you stand to lose and what you can potentially gain.

But who knows, your gf might turn things around. I hope she does
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PostPosted: 07:51 - 25 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just keep your money in your pocket ? Done
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 25 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

R1stu wrote:
A bit of both, I can't be a father to my kids, and I really want to be in their lives but cant.

She is the parent but she hates being an adult. she uses being left by her ex with 3 kids as her reason.

She couldn't cope and pretty much left them to it, the second 2 coped way better and are a lot more responsible and both are managers at maccers.


Will anyone consider counselling?

I hope it all gets sorted.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 25 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's certainly cards on the table time. Make sure you speak frankly and honestly. You have nothing to lose. If she respects your feelings and concerns then there is every chance it could work. If nothing changes then you know what to do. Some people, like my ex, are not capable of change and you need to put your own happiness first and find someone where life will be simple and enjoyable.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 25 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't end up being a doormat in the hope everything will turn out OK if you don't cause waves.

Pick your lines, make them clear and stand by them.

Once you lose their respect, either woman or son, you are stuffed, they'll walk all over you.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 25 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Empty the bin and find a more subtle way of letting him know who is boss.


When I was a teenager my dad asked me to do the dishes - I didn't.

He asked again the next day - I didn't.

He asked again the next day, I went out and got pissed with my mates.

I came home drunk, pulled back my sheets, found a bed full of 3 day old dishes.

I did the dishes the next day.

Put the contents of the bin in his bed Thumbs Up
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