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Ribenapigeon
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 31 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
See that door, with the porthole, it's an original 1950's door.

Prior to tarting that door up I'd removed another, and thought I'd have a go at deconstructing it.
Basically it was a hardwood ply sandwich, 6mm hardwood mind you. However what was unusual were the four internal vertical braces. What I was expecting were either block board strips or some chip board strips, what was actually there was strips of compacted straw wrapped in cardboard, glued to each piece of ply!
It was the same in the door with the porthole.

And you wonder why houses burn down!


Just hope there's no asbestos in there as well. Its mad how much it was used. Apparently asbestos was even used to make artificial snow in movies!
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a good few months now I've been making huge piles of shavings and sawdust in my first attempt at building a guitar.
The guitar in question is a LP type, single cut, mahogany body and neck with a flamed maple cap.
This is not a kit, I've, literally carved and shaped this from chunks of wood.
As it stands, the body and neck are complete, the frets have been levelled and crowned not had the final polish yet though, the maple top and headstock veneer have been stained.
AFAIC, I've completed all the difficult bits, the next step will be to glue the neck to the body, the neck fits nicely in the pocket and the neck lines up with the centre line of the body.
I haven't decided on what the final finish will be, although I'm currently leaning towards an acrylic clear coat, I may changed my mind and go for an oil finish.
Once the necks in place and the finish has been applied I'll have to fit all the hardware and wire it up.
Anyway here's some pictures:-

https://i.imgur.com/GCTesQF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2sz9vSc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HslDsmX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8phkQI9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kkzu9ht.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YyUGhRx.jpg

As I said I've never built a guitar before, so everyday's been a school day.
The most difficult part is the level of accuracy you need to achieve.
What tools have I used, well if you don't have a band saw you'e going to spend an awful lot of time with a saw in your hand. My router has come in for a lot of use as has my pillar drill. I've used planes of all sizes right down to a tiny thumb plane and plenty of wood chisels, all the planes, apart from the thumb plane, and all of the chisels are charity shop buys.
The only specialist tools I've bought new are a razor saw, 0.3mm kerf, for the fret slots and a traditional fret crowning file.
I carved the whole of the neck with a 1/2" wood chisel, which didn't take long at all, for the arch top I used various wood gouges and the thumb plane.
What takes the most time is building all the jigs and templates etc. that are needed. I built a router sled rig which has come in very handy especially for getting the correct angle on both the body and in the neck pocket.
The least enjoyable parts of the process are waiting for glue to dry and waiting around to make sure the wood doesn't "move" once you've rough cut it to shape. There's also the constant worry of the cost of the wood that a few misplaced gouges or dings could render the whole thing into very expensive firewood.

If you want to have a go at doing something similar bear in mind for the money you will spend on materials and hardware you could probably buy a really good second hand guitar, but where's the fun in that?

HT, I've designated you as test pilot, when it's finished, if you fancy it! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very cool! I wish I was good at something like that...anything really Rolling Eyes

If you make a Strat, dibs on being test pilot for that Smile

I don't know, but I think I might have been tempted to scallop the rear a bit. A mahogany Les Paul sounds very heavy!
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
The only specialist tools I've bought new are a razor saw, 0.3mm kerf, for the fret slots and a traditional fret crowning file.

The least enjoyable parts of the process are waiting for glue to dry and waiting around to make sure the wood doesn't "move" once you've rough cut it to shape.


What on earth's a "razor saw"? Is that the same as a gent's saw? What glue do you use for this application, I wonder. Pearl? Interested.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Suntan Sid wrote:
The only specialist tools I've bought new are a razor saw, 0.3mm kerf, for the fret slots and a traditional fret crowning file.

The least enjoyable parts of the process are waiting for glue to dry and waiting around to make sure the wood doesn't "move" once you've rough cut it to shape.


What on earth's a "razor saw"? Is that the same as a gent's saw? What glue do you use for this application, I wonder. Pearl? Interested.


I interpreted that as a Japanese saw, Dozuki-me if you want to be precise, wicked bit of kit that will open your hand up if you just brush against it.

Edit: Nice work Sid.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Very cool! I wish I was good at something like that...anything really Rolling Eyes

If you make a Strat, dibs on being test pilot for that Smile

I don't know, but I think I might have been tempted to scallop the rear a bit. A mahogany Les Paul sounds very heavy!


Not really a Strat fan, but I might try a flat body type thing next.
I wouldn't hold your breath though, it's taken me months to get this far, but you're welcome if you fancy a trip down to Wales.
AFAIK, early LP's were mahogany and notoriously heavy, I believe a lot of the more modern ones are weight relieved, ie if you removed the maple cap it looks like Swiss cheese!
It doesn't feel particularly heavy to me.

Riejufixing wrote:
What on earth's a "razor saw"? Is that the same as a gent's saw? What glue do you use for this application, I wonder. Pearl? Interested.


I suppose a razor saw is just another name for a very thin gent saw, there is no offset on the teeth and 24 TPI and yes, it's very sharp.

Wood glue = Titebond. Seems to be what everyone in internet land uses.
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PostPosted: 03:21 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice! What are you doing for the electrics? Dual humbuckers?

Personally I recommend Irongear Pickups: keep your money in the UK Smile

For a bit of fun fit a 5 way selector: bridge, neck, bridge + neck plus two spare spots for your fav serial/parallel combos. Double-duty the volume/tone knobs with push-pull switches and you can think about multi-tap pickups Very Happy
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks great, really does.
I'm no guitar person or musician either but do admire the thought and work that goes into making instruments.
Everyone should have a go at making things. It's surprising how therapeutic it can be.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Nice! What are you doing for the electrics? Dual humbuckers?

Personally I recommend Irongear Pickups: keep your money in the UK Smile

For a bit of fun fit a 5 way selector: bridge, neck, bridge + neck plus two spare spots for your fav serial/parallel combos. Double-duty the volume/tone knobs with push-pull switches and you can think about multi-tap pickups Very Happy


I have the Irongear dirty torque + blues engine combo waiting to go in.

I'll be sticking with the standard selector, tone, volume set up.
Although I can play and do a weekly gig, I ain't no Jimmy Paige!

Sister Sledge wrote:
Looks great, really does.
I'm no guitar person or musician either but do admire the thought and work that goes into making instruments.
Everyone should have a go at making things. It's surprising how therapeutic it can be.


You're too kind!
As far as making things goes you're right, along the way as well as making all the templates I've had to make a couple of specialist tools, a 12" radius sanding beam for the fret board and an angled file block for the fret edges. When I do another It should be a lot quicker, with the stuff I've learned along the way.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:43 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great work Sid. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the finish if you have a nice woodgrain it usually looks a lot better oiled over a gloss finish but obviously less durable. If you're gigging with it then go with the latter. You might also want to consider shellac over bog standard varnish.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Regarding the finish if you have a nice woodgrain it usually looks a lot better oiled over a gloss finish but obviously less durable. If you're gigging with it then go with the latter. You might also want to consider shellac over bog standard varnish.


Owatrol's Deks Olje oils are the way to go, plenty of D1, I seem to recall that 14 coats was our aim - and if you want a gloss finish D2 on top.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Regarding the finish if you have a nice woodgrain it usually looks a lot better oiled over a gloss finish but obviously less durable. If you're gigging with it then go with the latter. You might also want to consider shellac over bog standard varnish.


The thing with an oil finish is if you mark it/dent it/chip it, you can just wipe on more oil and it still looks good.

You can apply good quality varnish over hardened oil so if you are finding the oil isn't durable enough, you can always varnish it.

It will look fantastic oiled. It would be worth filming the first coat going on and stickig it up on youtube, I find it one of those really satisfying things.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've watched a few folk on youtube applying an acrylic clear coat over an oil finish but that's been on furniture.
The problem I have with spraying anything is I have nowhere warm enough to do it, so I'll probably end up oiling it.
Arghh, I can't make my mind up!
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 29 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressed by peeps wood working skills and knowledge
I'm probably what they call a wood butcher.
As for instruments, a tea chest and broom handle bass
would be more my level

Here's a pic of one
if you can tear yer eyes off the ladies underwear

https://live.staticflickr.com/3813/9590993429_42ebd2e050_b.jpg
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 30 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made a Lagerphone Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 30 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rustin's plastic coating. Very tough finish that can be taken to a mirror polish if you want to. Also scratches can be cut back and refinished.
You don't need to spray it, use flat art brush and wet n dry it back to get a perfect finish. Most importantly, thoroughly rinse the brush when cleaning it (use hair shampoo after thinners). The slightest hint of washing up liquid will give you tiny imperfections ( that you won't notice, but competition judges do).
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 30 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Wood glue = Titebond. Seems to be what everyone in internet land uses.

What sort oof Titebond, I wonder? Is pearl glue out of fashion for some reason?
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 30 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Is pearl glue out of fashion for some reason?


Almost certainly out of fashion.
It's still very effective, maybe in some situations even the best glue to use, but squirting titebond out of a bottle vs heating hide glue to the right consistency in a two pot boiler.....
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 30 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks great. I'm not a woodworking person but I love looking at well crafted pieces and furniture. That is lovely. Thumbs Up

The wood on the front of the guitar, is that actually purple or just the light?
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 30 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice, Sid. Thumbs Up

Can I recommend:

https://crimsonguitars.com/store/high-build-guitar-finishing-oil/

Have a look at their water based stains too - they have a Youtube video channel with demo vids showing how to get the best out of the finishes.

Warning: This site might deplete your wallet Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 30 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
heating hide glue to the right consistency in a two pot boiler.....

Pfft! LINDAM FOOD AND BOTTLE WARMER!
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 30 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
Very nice, Sid. Thumbs Up

Can I recommend:

https://crimsonguitars.com/store/high-build-guitar-finishing-oil/

Have a look at their water based stains too - they have a Youtube video channel with demo vids showing how to get the best out of the finishes.

Warning: This site might deplete your wallet Laughing


Ha ha, I used the Crimson "Stain Shots" for the colour and they are really very good. The dyes come with separate droppers for each colour, which is good, my only, very slight, niggle is they didn't come with any indication of proportions to mix, just adds to the fun I guess.
I also bought my fret crowning file from them, which is also a very nice piece of kit.
And yes, the crimson Oil finish is definitely an option I've considered.
I'm subscribed to the Crimson Youtube channel

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It looks great. I'm not a woodworking person but I love looking at well crafted pieces and furniture. That is lovely. Thumbs Up

The wood on the front of the guitar, is that actually purple or just the light?


The wood on the top of the body is a book matched piece of flamed maple, I have dyed it purple.
To get the maximum effect you dye the whole thing black, you then knock this back with some 400 grit sand paper, the striped effect you see on the wood is alternate stripes of end grain, sanding it back will leave some black dye in the end grain stripes.
I then dyed the whole top with royal blue, came back with some more black around the edge, then applied the purple. It's, slightly more involved than that and it doesn't show too well on the photo, but you need to blend the colours into each other to get a burst effect, ie going from nearly black at the edge to purple in the middle, this should show up more when oil/lacquer is applied.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 14 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Project I did with my Dad for my brothers birthday.

Took an amazingly large amount of wood.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/K30_Vf0Z6NUcis5ePG0VVcOjGMQ9SqmVL-i-mRt6PEOgIRqXeYDbkrO2GWJtQr5zLdrNn6dEdR9cGZ4nS34c004TPZbq1c1f5LwrPd71bcmznS9gl1FuuyjOp--oMcTR1UdEl8MGaA=w751-h1002-no

Knowing my Dad as I do and his propensity for shortcuts and bodges, I did the plans, wrote a cutting list then got and cut the wood with my chopsaw and circular saw. The cutting alone took a day and a half.

The plans were based loosely on the correct dimensions for such a thing but trying to utilise the "off the shelf" lengths and widths of the wood. Remarkably little wasteage. One gorilla bucket of offcuts in the end.

After cutting, I took the wood along to my Dads local mens shed (a charity for keeping the wives of retired men sane and retired men from dying of apathy in a chair in front of the TV) where we set about getting it all assembled. Lots of quick-set polyurethane and screws. The windows are corrugated polycarbonate for greenhouses.

I made one error in my plans. I didn't account for the width of the plank that overlapped every side which made the first stage of the roof 20mm short on each side. Other than that it all worked.

Drove it up to my brothers at the weekend and an hour later, we had it fully assembled. Laid on paying slabs.

For plausible deniability, we erected it while his wife is on holiday and while she was doing a marathon in case anyone grassed us up. Also covered the CCTV (which she can dial in to) with a post-it. Done deal now. Our story is there was an odd noise and it just appeared then some odd looking bloke in a long scarf went running out of it and off down the road.

We've done it with a proper primer and dulux weathershield which is the same stuff some mates use to paint their wooden canoes.

I have the plans and cutting list on .pdf if anyone wants them. Just remember I made that error in the roof width and check them yourself too. More of a guide than a set plan.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WBCWSB9uUg12yVzY90XkZqEu4Izu7b8nC7SW1gH6g6SOy9KPyvOzohKYHMPJ8tyt0XE_IHInrGLF8N9uAyGH-U5GnrCQHe0_UV7U_jdm-d6R-lQZeMDxcT2k0lWtP8PdRLi9dbJFTA=w1335-h1001-no

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