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M.C wrote: | mpd72 CPT wrote: | or the state is buying a lot of the housing stock |
Since when? They just pay an absolute fortune to rent former council properties off private landlords. |
Exactly..So where are all these who are moving in getting the money from for these houses?
Quote: | White flight is very real, but from visiting London over the years, I can only assume immigrants are very rich, private buy to lets are splitting them into several bedsits, or the state is buying a lot of the housing stock |
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M.C wrote: | Not from 'the state', do you seriously think the government is buying 500k flats for immigrants to live in? |
No, but they're paying over the top rents to private landlords for them. I presume housing associations receive state subsidies don't they? As an aside, the local council where I am are actually buying back council houses, not many, but they are spending my tax money buying housing which will never get repaid in my lifetime through low rents.
M.C wrote: | Developers are forced to build x amount of 'affordable' housing, and begrudgingly do, Blair's brilliant idea was that housing associations would provide social housing, although they're all about profit which's why in London you get 1 bed Peabody properties being rented out for £1000 p/m. I'm sure he'd be proud |
In London you get black and ethnic minority only housing associations. Not discriminatory though apparently.
My point is serious though. The majority of people moving into all these new flats here seem to be ethnic minorities. A walk around the town centre during normal working hours shows the level of multiculturalism which has crept in over the last 5 or so years. With no job creation, where are these 20,000 + extra people a year getting their rent money from? If they were all commuting to London, there would be more trains or carriages being put on. There aren't. If anything 6 carriages less an hour are now used on the fast train to London. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | No, but they're paying over the top rents to private landlords for them. I presume housing associations receive state subsidies don't they? As an aside, the local council where I am are actually buying back council houses, not many, but they are spending my tax money buying housing which will never get repaid in my lifetime through low rents. |
I just said that It's a problem created by your right wing politics, if they didn't sell off social housing, or built more, they'd be no inflated private rental market, and the housing benefit bill would be a lot lower.
Have you done the maths on someone living in a 'free house'? It's well over 100k over 20 years, seeing as hardly any social housing has been built over the last few decades they were paid off years ago, you can claim they're all gimmedat benefit scroungers but a) that's actually cheaper than housing them in private accommodation and b) back when we had lots of social housing ordinary working families were regularly housed by the council.
mpd72 wrote: | My point is serious though. The majority of people moving into all these new flats here seem to be ethnic minorities. A walk around the town centre during normal working hours shows the level of multiculturalism which has crept in over the last 5 or so years. With no job creation, where are these 20,000 + extra people a year getting their rent money from? If they were all commuting to London, there would be more trains or carriages being put on. There aren't. If anything 6 carriages less an hour are now used on the fast train to London. |
Your point refutes your own point. If whitey is being forced out by immigrants getting a free house, why are you getting ethnic minorities moving in where you live? Surely that means everyone is being forced out? Kent is merely overspill now the poor bits of London have become hideously expensive. You'll be getting a lot more btw |
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I just said that It's a problem created by your right wing politics, if they didn't sell off social housing, or built more, they'd be no inflated private rental market, and the housing benefit bill would be a lot lower. |
Are you pretending Blair, Brown and Miliband never existed and only the Tories sold off council housing stock?
M.C wrote: | Have you done the maths on someone living in a 'free house'? It's well over 100k over 20 years, |
And it will take 50 years to pay back a £250K house to the tax payer. Or 25 years for a private buyer to pay it back, not costing the tax payer. I'll never see my tax money returned in my lifetime for the council houses my council is buying with my money to subsidise others.
M.C wrote: | Your point refutes your own point. If whitey is being forced out by immigrants getting a free house, why are you getting ethnic minorities moving in where you live? Surely that means everyone is being forced out? Kent is merely overspill now the poor bits of London have become hideously expensive. You'll be getting a lot more btw |
I never said anyone is being forced out where I live. I said an extra 20,000 houses/flats a year are being built and mainly populated by ethnic minorities and Gimmedats.
If these people were working, it's a mystery to me because no extra expansion for travel for commuters to London have appeared and no increase in local job creation from what I can see. The government, with the wanker Damian Green as our MP, is bribing the council to build these flats to house all these fresh imported citizens. Our town has been picked as a town of "development" to be ruined by out of control immigration. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | Are you pretending Blair, Brown and Miliband never existed and only the Tories sold off council housing stock? |
Blair was basically a Tory, and I blame him as well probably even more so than Thatcher/Major, as he also encouraged immigration whilst not building any council housing and continuing to sell it off.
Brown stopped right to buy. Assuming you mean Ed' Miliband he was never elected?
mpd72 CPT wrote: | And it will take 50 years to pay back a £250K house to the tax payer. Or 25 years for a private buyer to pay it back, not costing the tax payer. I'll never see my tax money returned in my lifetime for the council houses my council is buying with my money to subsidise others. |
250k? It doesn't cost 250k to build a house, the majority of council housing was built cheaply decades ago. I also believe councils buy back properties sold under RTB at a discounted rate, for those who bought flats on rough estates it's probably their only option.
I agree it's a total waste of money but I'm of the opinion they shouldn't have sold them in the first place.
mpd72 CPT wrote: | I never said anyone is being forced out where I live. I said an extra 20,000 houses/flats a year are being built and mainly populated by ethnic minorities and Gimmedats.
If these people were working, it's a mystery to me because no extra expansion for travel for commuters to London have appeared and no increase in local job creation from what I can see. The government, with the wanker Damian Green as our MP, is bribing the council to build these flats to house all these fresh imported citizens. Our town has been picked as a town of "development" to be ruined by out of control immigration. |
Neither did I, you were talking about white flight from London, which's according to you is due to being priced out by immigrants, whilst also complaining about the influx of immigrants in your area.
It's poorer people being priced out, hence why they're turning up on your doorstep. |
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Blair was basically a Tory, |
More like the Tories are more like a Blair Labour government than a proper right of centre government.
M.C wrote: | 250k? It doesn't cost 250k to build a house, |
It does where I live, which is where I'm talking about. The house itself may only be around £100K to build but the house but the land is usually around £150K a plot.
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Neither did I, you were talking about white flight from London, which's according to you is due to being priced out by immigrants, whilst also complaining about the influx of immigrants in your area. |
I've talked about both.
M.C wrote: | It's poorer people being priced out, hence why they're turning up on your doorstep. |
The people moving to the 20,000 new flats in my town are not poor white cockneys, I can tell you that for sure. Much like the influx in London, the majority are Asian and EU immigrants. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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So you've been to Luton have you?
Have you fuck. You have no idea what I'm talking about. We spent over an hour driving around trying to find a pub near the ground. Every single one was closed down and the area around the ground is now almost exclusively Muslim.
Have you ever watched the documentary where Stacey Dooley goes back to Luton where she grew up to see how it had changed?
Enlighten yourself before stabbing at the keyboard.
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Read what I wrote. Break it down into small sentences. Have a rest in between.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | bnp72 wrote: |
So you've been to Luton have you?
Have you fuck. You have no idea what I'm talking about. We spent over an hour driving around trying to find a pub near the ground. Every single one was closed down and the area around the ground is now almost exclusively Muslim.
Have you ever watched the documentary where Stacey Dooley goes back to Luton where she grew up to see how it had changed?
Enlighten yourself before stabbing at the keyboard.
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Read what I wrote. Break it down into small sentences. Have a rest in between.
What's the excuse for the pubs shutting in my area? I'll give you a clue, it's nothing to do with religion. That's why you can't answer. |
I'm not talking about your area. The reason in Luton and all other areas with a high Muslim population, is very much that entire areas have been turned into Islamic areas and can now be declared alcohol free.
Try researching the subject instead of shouting from your usual position of pure ignorance. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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When one demographic moves in and treats pubs and drinking as blasphemy, there is only one way things are going to go.
One demographic HASN'T moved in, and the same thing has happened. So why? ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Oh, and the RTB was brought in by the Tories as part of the bail out from the IMF. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | M.C wrote: |
Blair was basically a Tory, |
More like the Tories are more like a Blair Labour government than a proper right of centre government.
M.C wrote: | 250k? It doesn't cost 250k to build a house, |
It does where I live, which is where I'm talking about. The house itself may only be around £100K to build but the house but the land is usually around £150K a plot.
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Neither did I, you were talking about white flight from London, which's according to you is due to being priced out by immigrants, whilst also complaining about the influx of immigrants in your area. |
I've talked about both.
M.C wrote: | It's poorer people being priced out, hence why they're turning up on your doorstep. |
The people moving to the 20,000 new flats in my town are not poor white cockneys, I can tell you that for sure. Much like the influx in London, the majority are Asian and EU immigrants. |
Have you asked them where they're coming from? With the land issue I think councils are being urged to look at brownfield land. |
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Brownfield land is more expensive to develop than greenfield land because first one has to remove whatever is on it that causes it to be classified 'brownfield', typical examples being filled-in cellars, chemical contaminants etc.
The Government has tried to encourage development of brownfield land for years now via the planning system, but in a masterstroke of hypocrisy removed the Derelict Land Grant which was designed to bridge the difference in development cost between brown and green.
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Which is why they love building on green belt.
Not knowing much about planning etc. Couldn't they offset the cost of cleaning up the land against profits? ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Have you asked them where they're coming from? With the land issue I think councils are being urged to look at brownfield land. |
Going by the bad shell suits and Burqas, I's say Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
The Council are building on Grade A arable land around here. They've sent letters to residents to explain that whilst they may object, it's being built anyway as they've already budgeted for the bribe from the government for meeting their 20,000 houses target and they will decide which comments will be published anyway, plus prosecute anyone who mentions anything they think they could sue you over. The most bent council you're ever likely to see. Brown envelopes everywhere.
Our council tax is going up by the maximum allowed level and also we're going to be paying twice for some services as they railroaded a parish council in too, meaning we have to pay towards two councils now, even though the second one is mainly doing jobs we already pay the town council for. Damian Green is a w4nker. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | Which is why they love building on green belt.
Not knowing much about planning etc. Couldn't they offset the cost of cleaning up the land against profits? |
At the moment the cost of cleaning up the land is borne by the developer. Most developers operate as Ltd Companies, so the cost of cleaning up is a business expense. The profit margin on development remains however as the cost is bumped onto the end-user or purchaser. This is part of the reason why property in this country is so expensive compared to much of Europe. It is also why really poor areas need things like the RDF in order to regenerate - something we will lose when we leave the EC. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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The last post was made 5 years, 115 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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